Paul Skenes Superfractor Ends in Goldin

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Oy. So a pitcher who wins 8-7 did better than one who loses 1-0? If you really think that I can't help you. Of course Spahn is elite, who said he wasn't? I am just saying it's a legitimate point to bring up park effects.

The pitcher that wins 5 games 8-7 is better than the one that wins 2 games 1-0. But I am positive the stats will favor the latter.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Carter08

The pitcher that wins 5 games 8-7 is better than the one that wins 2 games 1-0. But I am positive the stats will favor the latter.

A pitcher can only control how much he limits the other side. How well his own team does on any given day is a fortuity. The stats rightly focus on the former.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

A pitcher can only control how much he limits the other side. How well his own team does on any given day is a fortuity. The stats rightly focus on the former.

You don’t think guys like Maddux and Spahn have a sense of a game and can give up a run or two but secure a win rather than go all out and have to come out of the game? I feel like they’re playing chess to your checkers.

[G1911]

A hypothetical pitcher who goes 25-0 but gives up an average of 10 runs a game would be a terrible pitcher, not a great one. A pitcher has very low influence on his teams scoring (today with the universal DH, he has 0 influence), only on the other teams scoring.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

A hypothetical pitcher who goes 25-0 but gives up an average of 10 runs a game would be a terrible pitcher, not a great one. A pitcher has very low influence on his teams scoring (today with the universal DH, he has 0 influence), only on the other teams scoring.

Checkers player!! He knew he could give up 10 runs with no impact on the game, so he intentionally eased up so he could stay in the game and save the bullpen, don't you know?

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Checkers player!! He knew he could give up 10 runs with no impact on the game, so he intentionally eased up so he could stay in the game and save the bullpen, don't you know?

You’re right, Spahn wasn’t supremely effective at eating tons of innings and getting wins for his team.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Carter08

You’re right, Spahn wasn’t supremely effective at eating tons of innings and getting wins for his team.

Show me where I said a single negative thing about Spahn? Can you not separate a discussion about park effect statistics from some imagined criticism of Spahn? Talk about a straw man or red herring or whatever it is. Man, if I'm playing checkers, I don't know what you're playing here.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Carter08

You don’t think guys like Maddux and Spahn have a sense of a game and can give up a run or two but secure a win rather than go all out and have to come out of the game? I feel like they’re playing chess to your checkers.

No, because if you give up a run or two you don't know where that will lead. And who says you can just turn it back on if a game gets close?