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Old 07-19-2024, 07:32 AM
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Ross Barnes is exceedingly worthy of the Hall of Fame, he had almost 30 WAR and yet never played in a season with more than 78 games.
He is the most obvious candidate who should already be in.
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Old 07-19-2024, 08:44 AM
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Put Joe Wood in already. If Dizzy Dean can get in because he won 30 games, then Joe Wood can get in for winning 34, then going 3-1 in the World Series.

There are already at least three men in the HOF for having one incredible season: Hack Wilson, Dizzy Dean, and Jack Chesbro. Smoky Joe Wood's 1912 season was one for the books too.
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Frank "Lefty" O'Doul is the greatest eligible position player not in the Hall of Fame. Over 970 games (30 shy of the 1,000 used for official records) from 1919 to 1934, Lefty averaged .349, winning two batting championships and setting the NL record for most hits in a season, which still stands. Not in any way a "homer" like Chuck Klein (whose numbers were greatly aided by playing in a small park in Philly), Lefty hit .352 at home and .347 on the road, proving he belongs among the elite hitters in history. After his days in the majors ended, he returned to the Pacific Coast League, where he was the longtime manager of the San Francisco Seals and later the San Diego and Seattle teams. Lefty was instrumental in organizing Japanese pro baseball, whose premiere team, the Giants, was named in his honor. Lefty is one of only 3 Americans in the Japanese baseball hall of fame. He is also one of the few players to have played for the Yankees, Dodgers and Giants while all 3 were in New York City. Lefty died on December 7, 1969. His epitaph reads "He was here at a good time and had a good time while he was here."

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Put Joe Wood in already. If Dizzy Dean can get in because he won 30 games, then Joe Wood can get in for winning 34, then going 3-1 in the World Series.

There are already at least three men in the HOF for having one incredible season: Hack Wilson, Dizzy Dean, and Jack Chesbro. Smoky Joe Wood's 1912 season was one for the books too.
Dizzy Dean had more than one good season. He was the 1934 NL MVP. He finished 2nd in MVP voting in 1935. He finished 2nd in MVP voting in 1936.
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Dizzy Dean had more than one good season. He was the 1934 NL MVP. He finished 2nd in MVP voting in 1935. He finished 2nd in MVP voting in 1936.
He's in the HOF because he won 30 games.
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He's in the HOF because he won 30 games.
He won as many as Koufax. His WAR was only 2 points below Koufax.
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Dizzy Dean was an extremely popular and very accommodating to all the writers ,
Shouldn’t make a difference but it surely did .
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He's in the HOF because he won 30 games.
No, he is in the HOF because he was one of the best players in the NL from 1932-36 winning 120 games and receiving MVP votes each year. Then an AS in 1937 with 12 wins at the break, he was injured in the AS game and never was the same after. His five year peak was similar to that of Sandy Koufax. Dean was elected by the BBWAA with 79% of the vote.

Jack Chesbro peaked at 2.2%. Hack Wilson peaked at 38.3%. Joe Wood peaked at 18%. None of those are comparable to Dean.
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No, he is in the HOF because he was one of the best players in the NL from 1932-36 winning 120 games and receiving MVP votes each year. Then an AS in 1937 with 12 wins at the break, he was injured in the AS game and never was the same after. His five year peak was similar to that of Sandy Koufax. Dean was elected by the BBWAA with 79% of the vote.

Jack Chesbro peaked at 2.2%. Hack Wilson peaked at 38.3%. Joe Wood peaked at 18%. None of those are comparable to Dean.
None of this gets around what I said. He finished with 11 more wins than Johan Santana, but with less strikeouts, a lower ERA+ and a lower WAR total. Johan Santana won three ERA titles, a pitching Triple Crown and two Cy Young awards. He didn't make it beyond his first vote. He didn't win 30 games in a single season either.

I also don't see any real relation between Dean's brief peak and Koufax's other than they were brief. Koufax led the league in ERA all five seasons and won three Triple Crowns. Dean did not win any Triple Crowns. Twenty percent of all Dean's wins came in one season.
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I know the vote is in December, but does anyone know when the ballot will be released?
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A small vote for Elston Howard. As a boy, I saw him play several games at the old Yankee Stadium; he hit for power and was graceful at the toughest position in baseball. And he was the first black player to integrate the Yankees.
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Bill White. Great Player 8x All Star 7x Gold Glove WS champ 64. Then 18 years as Broadcaster for the NY Yankees. Outstanding Broadcaster!! And First MLB Black television announcer. Then President of the National Leauge President 1989 - 1994 First Black league president. Not in Hall of Fame for calling out Baseball owners for installing One of their own as Commissioner. Just sad....
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Bill White. Great Player 8x All Star 7x Gold Glove WS champ 64. Then 18 years as Broadcaster for the NY Yankees. Outstanding Broadcaster!! And First MLB Black television announcer. Then President of the National Leauge President 1989 - 1994 First Black league president. Not in Hall of Fame for calling out Baseball owners for installing One of their own as Commissioner. Just sad....
Didn't he just not make it last year?
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Bill White was on the Ballot last year but got only 10 of 16 votes Lou Pinella got 11and Leyland got 15 and got in. Last years committe was executives managers umpires etc. With impact after 1980. So even though it took until 1989 for MLB to appoint a Black leauge President ( Bill White was the only Black Leauge President ever) last years group did not find it significant enough. I am sure as they looked around the room at the owners meetings they felt no presure to recognize the achievement. Perhaps given that Black play by play announcers are still a rarity this current group might
recognize Bill Whites breakthrough as the First Black play by play announcer in baseball when he was hired in 1971. Or perhaps his 286 lifetime average 8 all star games and 7 Gold Gloves will do it. But given recent History probably not.
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Bill White was on the Ballot last year but got only 10 of 16 votes Lou Pinella got 11and Leyland got 15 and got in. Last years committe was executives managers umpires etc. With impact after 1980. So even though it took until 1989 for MLB to appoint a Black leauge President ( Bill White was the only Black Leauge President ever) last years group did not find it significant enough. I am sure as they looked around the room at the owners meetings they felt no presure to recognize the achievement. Perhaps given that Black play by play announcers are still a rarity this current group might
recognize Bill Whites breakthrough as the First Black play by play announcer in baseball when he was hired in 1971. Or perhaps his 286 lifetime average 8 all star games and 7 Gold Gloves will do it. But given recent History probably not.
Not arguing either way on the merits, but I thought as a matter of process if you didn't make it by a committee vote you had to wait several years till that committee voted again.
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Announcers aren't inducted and his 1B statistics are not even close to HOF. What were Bill White's achievements as a league president that are HOF worthy?
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Announcers aren't inducted and his 1B statistics are not even close to HOF. What were Bill White's achievements as a league president that are HOF worthy?
I think it’s silly that they refuse to induct guys based on their overall influence on the game, and insist on putting them in a specific box. Bill White is certainly worthy for his many cumulative contributions to the game.

I’d also like to see guys like Don Zimmer get in. They put umps in and executives in, but not coaches?
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Not arguing either way on the merits, but I thought as a matter of process if you didn't make it by a committee vote you had to wait several years till that committee voted again.
Assuming the process isn't changed (which seems to happen fairly often), there are 3 different Era Committees they rotate through so it should be another 3 years before White could be voted on again.

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Carl Furillo, who won the NL batting title one year and whose "rifle" arm terrified runners.
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I thought we had contributors already. Isn't Buck O'Neil one?
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I thought we had contributors already. Isn't Buck O'Neil one?
Buck is actually in as a Negro League player.
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.250 hitter with no power, it's nominal then. He's in for being Buck O'Neil.
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I would vote for Thurman Munson. Just as good as Buster Posey and his career was cut short like Puckett.
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I would vote for Thurman Munson. Just as good as Buster Posey and his career was cut short like Puckett.
I'd vote for Thurm too, but he's not on the ballot.
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Buck was inducted as a Pioneer/Executive, not a player.
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730pm tonight.....

Anyone selected?

All terrific careers but no one jumps off the page for me.

Guess I wouldn't be surprised if Allen sneaks in given he's been 1 vote short twice.

It would be very bitter sweet if El Tiante somehow was elected given his recent passing.
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Dave Parker and Dick Allen.
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Dick Allen not a big surprise but I was not expecting Parker
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Wow! Just watched too.....in his prime Parker was a top 2-3 player in the game.
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Results of the Classic Baseball Era Ballot (12 votes needed for election): Dave Parker (14 votes, 87.5%); Dick Allen (13 votes, 81.3%); Tommy John (7 votes, 43.8%); Ken Boyer, John Donaldson, Steve Garvey, Vic Harris and Luis Tiant each received less than five votes.
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Results of the Classic Baseball Era Ballot (12 votes needed for election): Dave Parker (14 votes, 87.5%); Dick Allen (13 votes, 81.3%); Tommy John (7 votes, 43.8%); Ken Boyer, John Donaldson, Steve Garvey, Vic Harris and Luis Tiant each received less than five votes.
I'm not surprised Luis Tiant didn't get in given his recent death. The bitterness over Ron Santo getting in after his death and not during his lifetime led to some extremely critical commentary even though they finally got it right.

I am surprised Tiant got less than 5 votes, though.

I thought Ken Boyer would get a bit more love than that, too.
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Dave Parker 40.1 WAR. Not exactly overwhelming. Barely north of Harold Baines.

Ken Boyer? 62.8. Who the hell is voting?
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I guess I’m covered for both guys with my HOF “earliest” collection. Phew!

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