Surprisingly low WAR

[gregndodgers]

Garvey's chances were hurt by his well-documented off field problems. However, I still believe the veterans committee (or something akin to that) elects him into the HOF. He is currently running for to be a U.S. Senator from CA.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by gregndodgers

Garvey's chances were hurt by his well-documented off field problems. However, I still believe the veterans committee (or something akin to that) elects him into the HOF. He is currently running for to be a U.S. Senator from CA.

So far, he's been on 4 different veteran's committee ballots, and didn't get enough votes to be reported the first 3 times. In 2020, he got 6 out of 16.

[Peter_Spaeth]

War 38. Ops .775. Obp .329. HOF no. That said, his RC will always enjoy some popularity.

[Touch'EmAll]

When I was a kid in SoCal during the 70's, Steve Garvey was big time. He was the leader of the Dodgers (darn good team). Won the 1974 MVP. And I collected his cards mostly because he always has that nifty "All-Star Logo" on his cards. Only the All Star starters got that All-Star banner/shield/star on their cards.

That was back in the day before Rookie Cards became so dang popular. As kids, the heck with new rookies who you had no clue about. They were tossed aside into the commons box. As kids we all wanted the cards of the top shelf players.

Garvey was the best at his position for a long time. To me, that is a criteria for HOF.

Garvey wasn't just an All-Star. He was the STARTING All-Star for 8 consecutive years - 1974, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80 & 1981.

Put the dude in (HOF).

Yogi Berra has a surprisingly low WAR compared to other top shelf catchers. I kinda don't get it. Everybody loves Bench, he has the highest WAR. But all things considered, I might take Yogi as my #1 all-time catcher. What he did for the Yankees was beyond amazing - the leadership, the handling of the pitching staff, his knowledge of the game, he made his whole team better. And yeah, he also had some pretty darn solid stats. I think he is recognized as the most winningest player in MLB history.

[cgjackson222]

Just looking at Steve Garvey’s MVP season.
Wow, he really didn’t deserve that award. A dozen other guys deserved it ahead of him. Garvey didn’t lead the League in anything and barely cracked the top 10 in many categories.

Schmidt, Bench, Wynn were WAY more deserving.
Garvey may have been one of the most overrated players while playing ever.

[tod41]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Just looking at Steve Garvey’s MVP season.
Wow, he really didn’t deserve that award. A dozen other guys deserved it ahead of him. Garvey didn’t lead the League in anything and barely cracked the top 10 in many categories.

Schmidt, Bench, Wynn were WAY more deserving.
Garvey may have been one of the most overrated players while playing ever.

As long as you did not face him in the Post Season.

[Touch'EmAll]

8 consecutive years starting All-Star - nope. But we have Harold Baines in there. Something just doesn't seem right.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Touch'EmAll

When I was a kid in SoCal during the 70's, Steve Garvey was big time. He was the leader of the Dodgers (darn good team). Won the 1974 MVP. And I collected his cards mostly because he always has that nifty "All-Star Logo" on his cards. Only the All Star starters got that All-Star banner/shield/star on their cards.

That was back in the day before Rookie Cards became so dang popular. As kids, the heck with new rookies who you had no clue about. They were tossed aside into the commons box. As kids we all wanted the cards of the top shelf players.

Garvey was the best at his position for a long time. To me, that is a criteria for HOF.

Garvey wasn't just an All-Star. He was the STARTING All-Star for 8 consecutive years - 1974, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80 & 1981.

Put the dude in (HOF).

Yogi Berra has a surprisingly low WAR compared to other top shelf catchers. I kinda don't get it. Everybody loves Bench, he has the highest WAR. But all things considered, I might take Yogi as my #1 all-time catcher. What he did for the Yankees was beyond amazing - the leadership, the handling of the pitching staff, his knowledge of the game, he made his whole team better. And yeah, he also had some pretty darn solid stats. I think he is recognized as the most winningest player in MLB history.

I am not saying it isn't so, but what actual evidence do you have of his leadership, handling of the pitching staff, and knowledge of the game?

[Touch'EmAll]

Yogi: He played catcher. Could be most important position, so the better your overall all around play, the better your teams chances of victory. He won a lot. He went on to become a decent manager. This often shows leadership and high knowledge of the game. MLB Commissioner, Rob Manfred, "Yogi was renowned as a Great teammate." Also a real plus off-the-stat sheet quality.

Garvey had a career .996 fielding % at First, an MLB record. Garvey also played 193 consecutive errorless games at First Base, another MLB record. And is the only player in the history of baseball to have played an errorless season at the position.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Touch'EmAll

Yogi: He played catcher. Could be most important position, so the better your overall all around play, the better your teams chances of victory. He won a lot. He went on to become a decent manager. This often shows leadership and high knowledge of the game. MLB Commissioner, Rob Manfred, "Yogi was renowned as a Great teammate." Also a real plus off-the-stat sheet quality.

Garvey had a career .996 fielding % at First, an MLB record. Garvey also played 193 consecutive errorless games at First Base, another MLB record. And is the only player in the history of baseball to have played an errorless season at the position.

-11.6 dWAR

[tod41]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

War 38. Ops .775. Obp .329. HOF no. That said, his RC will always enjoy some popularity.

Phil Rizzuto - 42 War OPS 706 - Never say never.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by tod41

Phil Rizzuto - 42 War OPS 706 - Never say never.

That an argument for Garvey is his OPS is a little higher than a defense first shortstop tells one everything they need to know about why Garvey is a poor candidate.

[tod41]

Originally Posted by G1911

That an argument for Garvey is his OPS is a little higher than a defense first shortstop tells one everything they need to know about why Garvey is a poor candidate.

Garvey's post season numbers make him an interesting candidate. He was a dominant player in his era which was not a great offensive era.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by tod41

Garvey's post season numbers make him an interesting candidate. He was a dominant player in his era which was not a great offensive era.

He really was not. He topped out at a 138 OPS+, which for a 1B's best season is pretty low. He did not actually dominate his era outside of the hearts of his fans. 117 OPS+ is pretty average for a 1B.

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

War 38. Ops .775. Obp .329. HOF no. That said, his RC will always enjoy some popularity.

C'mon, admit it-- you don't like him just because he was a Spartan Old habits die hard.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

C'mon, admit it-- you don't like him just because he was a Spartan Old habits die hard.

It took him until 2010 to make THEIR HOF lol.
https://msuspartans.com/news/2010/9/...ve_garvey.aspx