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Old 07-06-2024, 07:41 PM
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I knew my guy Mario Soto deserved to be in this chat. 1982 saw Soto lead the
league in WHIP, amass 274 Ks, and a 2.7ish ERA. He was 14-13 on a Reds
team I could have started for (before the literalists crawl out of their holes,
I'm using hyperbole). This is why it is a slippery slope to devalue pitchers like
Nolan Ryan, who accomplished incredible feats while basically playing against
the other team AND his own

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Old 07-06-2024, 07:44 PM
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I knew my guy Mario Soto deserved to be in this chat. 1982 saw Soto lead the
league in WHIP, amass 274 Ks, and a 2.7ish ERA. He was 14-13 on a Reds
team I could have started for (before the literalists crawl out of their holes,
I'm using hyperbole). This is why it is a slippery slope to devalue pitchers like
Nolan Ryan, who accomplished incredible feats while basically playing against
the other team AND his own

Trent King
Thank You - Being a pitcher on a crappy team is the definition of bad luck

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Old 07-07-2024, 12:31 AM
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In 1880 with the Cincinnati Stars Will White posted a 114 ERA+, and won 18 games. Unfortunately he lost 42 because the Stars were not stars, going 21-59 as a club. A 24 game deficit is quite a lot for an excellent hurler.
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ERA and ERA+ in the nineteenth century and early twentieth century are poor statistics due to the fact that often 50% or more of the runs were unearned. Despite the low ERAs characteristic of the deadball era, runs per game were not reduced nearly as much. If, in the current game, players used century old gloves, ERAs would generally go down. The number of catchers would also go down trying to catch 100 mph heat with ancient equipment. OUCH!!!
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Old 07-07-2024, 08:46 AM
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One bad day could make a bad season? Cover picture from Baseball Magazine 1916 of Roy Caldwell. In 1919 during a game was directly hit by lightning and knocked cold for 5 minutes. Many thought he was dead. But he regained consciousness and FINISHED THE GAME!!!!
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