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View Poll Results: Who is the greatest living player today?
Ronald Acuna Jr 1 0.24%
Johnny Bench 16 3.85%
Mookie Betts 0 0%
Barry Bonds 116 27.88%
Steve Carlton 0 0%
Roger Clemens 2 0.48%
Ken Griifey Jr 38 9.13%
Rickey Henderson 27 6.49%
Randy Johnson 3 0.72%
Sandy Koufax 52 12.50%
Greg Maddux 7 1.68%
Pedro Martinez 5 1.20%
Shohei Ohtani 18 4.33%
Albert Pujols 16 3.85%
Cal Ripken Jr 5 1.20%
Alex Rodriguez 0 0%
Pete Rose 39 9.38%
Nolan Ryan 34 8.17%
Mike Schmidt 17 4.09%
Ichiro Suzuki 7 1.68%
Mike Trout 1 0.24%
Other 12 2.88%
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Old 06-28-2024, 04:09 PM
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Normally I would agree with this but for me taking Jeter over Arod is about more than just stats. I can firmly say I believe he is the greater player over ARod with his clubhouse presence and other intangibles, including just seeking to have a killer instinct at exactly the right moment. Arod seemed like a self-centered jerk who caused distractions and was suspended for cheating. I think my fictional team with Jeter beats a team with Arod over the long run.
I love Jeter, but you may want to check their wins above replacement.
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I love Jeter, but you may want to check their wins above replacement.
Arod stat padding in meaningless games can generate a high WAR. Jeter with a critical hit at the right time wins you a World Series. I’ll take the latter. If it’s just a WAR calculation to figure out who is the greatest why is this thread so long?
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Old 06-28-2024, 04:26 PM
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They played on the same team together for a decade. Jeter had a postseason OPS of .838, Rodriguez one of .822.

I don't see how A-Rod's career can be dismissed as unimportant games while ascribing immense value to Jeter's games over statistical value.
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They played on the same team together for a decade. Jeter had a postseason OPS of .838, Rodriguez one of .822.

I don't see how A-Rod's career can be dismissed as unimportant games while ascribing immense value to Jeter's games over statistical value.
Again, don't let facts cloud your judgment. I would offer this, but clearly distorted by ARod padding his stats in meaningless games.
https://stathead.com/baseball/vs/der...alex-rodriguez

And did ARod win 3 MVPs or is that my faulty memory?

Yes, Jeter was better post season.
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The Jeter vs ARod debate comes down to how much you view Jeter's intangibles. Do Jeter's intangibles offset ARod's stats?
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The Jeter vs ARod debate comes down to how much you view Jeter's intangibles. Do Jeter's intangibles offset ARod's stats?
Agree, I just don't think it's valid to say ARod's huge advantage in numbers is due to "padding".
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Agree, I just don't think it's valid to say ARod's huge advantage in numbers is due to "padding".
That's a whole lot of stat padding.
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The Jeter vs ARod debate comes down to how much you view Jeter's intangibles. Do Jeter's intangibles offset ARod's stats?
Agreed, and I think they do. I’m a Mets fan. Hated Jeter because he felt like a winner. Hated ARod because he was a self-centered cheater. Never felt like he was a winner like Jeter. Jeter won 5 World Series. How many did Arod win? 4 less. Mic drop.
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Agreed, and I think they do. I’m a Mets fan. Hated Jeter because he felt like a winner. Hated ARod because he was a self-centered cheater. Never felt like he was a winner like Jeter. Jeter won 5 World Series. How many did Arod win? 4 less. Mic drop.
I watched ARod with the Yankees over and over and over. Aside from his PED-enhanced, all about me stats, he was horrendous in the clutch. He was known throughout the Yankee Stadium bleachers, which were totally isolated from the rest of the stadium at old Yankee Stadium, as "The Anti-Clutch".
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Again, don't let facts cloud your judgment. I would offer this, but clearly distorted by ARod padding his stats in meaningless games.
https://stathead.com/baseball/vs/der...alex-rodriguez

And did ARod win 3 MVPs or is that my faulty memory?

Yes, Jeter was better post season.
They played the same games together for a decade, a large proportion of their careers. I don’t see how one was padding in meaningless games and the guy literally right next to him on the same diamond was not.

But of course that’s clouding judgement with pesky facts that get in the way of a narrative. Can’t have that . The math gap between them is not even close
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