Greatest Living Player...

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Mozzie22

Pujols, Henderson, Maddux, Bench are all good choices. Bonds can suck it!

This is the kind of reasoned, logical argument I was hoping for. I’d like to change my vote now after this compelling analysis.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by G1911

This is the kind of reasoned, logical argument I was hoping for. I’d like to change my vote now after this compelling analysis.

Bonds was/is an asshole and a narcissist of the highest order, I know for stat guys that makes no difference, but to some folks character is included in "greatest".

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Bonds was/is an asshole and a narcissist of the highest order, I know for stat guys that makes no difference, but to some folks character is included in "greatest".

The assessment of his character has undergone some revisionism in recent years for the better, but the common conception that he was not such a great guy never seemed to hurt Cobb.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The assessment of his character has undergone some revisionism in recent years for the better, but the common conception that he was not such a great guy never seemed to hurt Cobb.

Cobb was portrayed as a vehement racist thanks to Al Stump and carried all the way through Ken Burns lazy portrayal of him in his otherwise fantastic documentary. Many people including some members here refused to collect Cobb because of that disinformation. Did it hurt him? No, he's been dead a long time but I'm sure if there was a Cobb statue somewhere the BLM gangsters would want to tear it down.

Bonds otoh is a current asshole and his narcissistic behavior has been well documented. It's not a winnable argument, stat guys aren't going to care about character and character guys aren't going to care about stats.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Bonds was/is an asshole and a narcissist of the highest order, I know for stat guys that makes no difference, but to some folks character is included in "greatest".

There is a pretty big difference between trying to use a character clause and "suck it".

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Bonds was/is an asshole and a narcissist of the highest order, I know for stat guys that makes no difference, but to some folks character is included in "greatest".

The list of negative stories about the personality of Willie Mays is also quite long.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Tabe

The list of negative stories about the personality of Willie Mays is also quite long.

Weren't those mainly when he was older and not from his playing days (unlike Bonds)?