It's Closing Night of a Great Vintage Auction

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

But the whole point is they won't have to pay it if their principal competitor is not participating. Do you not see that? My example is absolutely collusion/price fixing. It has cost the consignor, almost certainly, huge amounts of money.

I'll give you an example from my world..
Johnny Evers Red Croft back in a 6.

Everybody on this sub knows DJ is making a Red Crofts run, I would love to add a Red Crofts back to my collection.

Ryan consigned his to an AH and that gave DJ an opportunity to add to his run.
Now I've only interacted with DJ a few times but I laid off that card because it belongs in his collection. I never contacted him but in my mind it was the right thing to do and I'm happy he got the card.

Was Ryan happy with the results , don't know you'd have to ask him.

Did I collude with DJ or did I stand down for a fellow Net54 collector who I respect and know how important that card was to him?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

I'll give you an example from my world..
Johnny Evers Red Croft back in a 6.

Everybody on this sub knows DJ is making a Red Crofts run, I would love to add a Red Crofts back to my collection.

Ryan consigned his to an AH and that gave DJ an opportunity to add to his run.
Now I've only interacted with DJ a few times but I laid off that card because it belongs in his collection. I never contacted him but in my mind it was the right thing to do and I'm happy he got the card.

Was Ryan happy with the results , don't know you'd have to ask him.

Did I collude with DJ or did I stand down for a fellow Net54 collector who I respect and know how important that card was to him?

If you had no interaction with him then of course you did not collude. If you and he agreed that you would not bid against him, that would be collusion. Collusion takes two.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If you had no interaction with him then of course you did not collude. If you and he agreed that you would not bid against him, that would be collusion. Collusion takes two.

I guess that's the difference, I care more about the collectors here and their hobby aspirations.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

I guess that's the difference, I care more about the collectors here and their hobby aspirations.

Nothing wrong with that. In antitrust cases the critical question often is whether conduct is unilateral or the product of an agreement.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Nothing wrong with that. In antitrust cases the critical question often is whether conduct is unilateral or the product of an agreement.

And I would posit that my conduct produces greater happiness for our collecting community.

[NiceDocter]

Flash back to a live auction at a show in the early 80s..... another guy and I were both bidding on a stack of Wide Pens/Fine Pens (about 150 cards).... we went back and forth, no other bidders, he turned to me and said Split the Lot? I said OK if I get the DiMaggio. He won with the next bid and we split it by each of us just taking about half the pile and me with the DiMag. Didnt even go card by card! Just made 2 close to even piles. So I guess it was collusion. But the statute of limitations has probably run out by now so I can tell the tale. Pile went for around $200 as I recall. It was a fun time when we had those live auctions at the shows.

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