Memory Lane sold cards they didn't have per SCD

[jp1216]

Originally Posted by Leon

Yeap, that would be a normal hobby lineup.
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[4815162342]

Originally Posted by jp1216

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lol

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Could anyone make an appropriate baseball card for this turd? Do I hear an Elf giggling in the bullrushes.

Doesn't Topps Now have one coming out 1 of 1 PSA 10?

[theshowandme]

Anyone have the cliff notes version to summarize this thread?

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

Anyone have the cliff notes version to summarize this thread?

This article covers it pretty well. You'll just miss out on all the arguing and opinions about what was done and what should have been done.

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...overed-arrest/

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by mkskillz013

Well, I was aware of net54 for years from a distance and stumbled onto this thread when looking for information about the theft. I kept abreast by reading all 900 posts (many of which felt like old lawyers trying to prove who’s smarter), and frankly found all of the information I needed. Then I go to check the pop on the cards they found, only to annoyingly see them deactivated. I asked a simple (maybe naive to some) question in here and was met by a variety of sarcasm. Obviously I could ask PSA, but I’m also bound to get a faster (and probably as accurate) answer here. All good, enjoy your next 30,000 posts…I’m probably done at 3.



p.s. don’t be so quick to alienate…your family will need people to buy all this stuff when you kick the bucket.

They were valid questions for someone making their first post. There are a lot of scammers that come on here making vague comments in order to get their post count up and build credibility.



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[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

darren (jollyelm) came up with a pretty good prototype for a possible card in post # 908.

Brian

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[Eric72]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

Anyone have the cliff notes version to summarize this thread?

• There was a card show in Strongsville, Ohio earlier this year
• There is a Best Western Plus located near the card show venue
• Memory Lane shipped 54 high-value cards via FedEx to that BW+
• A ML employee arrived at the BW+ about 3 days after the cards arrived
• At some point during those 3 days, the cards went missing
• Despite the fact they couldn't locate the cards, ML decided to let the auction run its course, notifying only a minimum of people
• 52 of the 54 cards were recovered roughly a month later
• An employee of BW+ had quit his job shortly after the cards went missing
• That employee has been arrested in connection with the missing cards

This (nearly) 1,000 post thread contains numerous opinions, egos, and insults. It also has some other details. However, the info above is a decent recap.

[SyrNy1960]

Originally Posted by Eric72

• There was a card show in Strongsville, Ohio earlier this year
• There is a Best Western Plus located near the card show venue
• Memory Lane shipped 54 high-value cards via FedEx to that BW+
• A ML employee arrived at the BW+ about 3 days after the cards arrived
• At some point during those 3 days, the cards went missing
• Despite the fact they couldn't locate the cards, ML decided to let the auction run its course, notifying only a minimum of people
• 52 of the 54 cards were recovered roughly a month later
• An employee of BW+ had quit his job shortly after the cards went missing
• That employee has been arrested in connection with the missing cards

This (nearly) 1,000 post thread contains numerous opinions, egos, and insults. It also has some other details. However, the info above is a decent recap.

Well done!

[parkplace33]

For anyone who won one of the cards that were stolen, were you able to purchase that card? I think only one member has said they won one of the stolen cards.

I do hope the two missing cards show up soon.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Eric72

• There was a card show in Strongsville, Ohio earlier this year
• There is a Best Western Plus located near the card show venue
• Memory Lane shipped 54 high-value cards via FedEx to that BW+
• A ML employee arrived at the BW+ about 3 days after the cards arrived
• At some point during those 3 days, the cards went missing
• Despite the fact they couldn't locate the cards, ML decided to let the auction run its course, notifying only a minimum of people
• 52 of the 54 cards were recovered roughly a month later
• An employee of BW+ had quit his job shortly after the cards went missing
• That employee has been arrested in connection with the missing cards

This (nearly) 1,000 post thread contains numerous opinions, egos, and insults. It also has some other details. However, the info above is a decent recap.

Is it a fact they couldn't locate the cards? Isn't it possible the police knew or suspected where the cards were and were waiting to make the bust?

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

Is it a fact they couldn't locate the cards? Isn't it possible the police knew or suspected where the cards were and were waiting to make the bust?

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And in turn, an expectancy that there was a good possibility of recovery may have informed ML's decision to continue the auction. Just speculating, but common sense would suggest there weren't that many suspects to begin with and they may well have had leads they were pursuing. You can't just go around kicking down people's doors.

[FrankWakefield]

+1 Ericl
Well summarized, Eric. That's about right.


Within about a year or so after I got out of law school, or about 37 years ago, a question arose at the law firm about whether or not it would be a conflict of interest to accept a new client, due to already representing a similar client. I stayed quiet, my little opinion, had I had one, was about worthless. Some rather smart lawyers took turns talking, explaining various nuances of the ethics rules. Finally, this older lawyer who had grown up in a small rural county, and who up until now had been silent, leaned forward, cleared his throat, and said something to the effect of, "all I know is if you can't explain to the previous client why you did or didn't do something in about one sentence, then you probably shouldn't have done it."

A fellow shouldn't sell something he doesn't have.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

For anyone who won one of the cards that were stolen, were you able to purchase that card? I think only one member has said they won one of the stolen cards.
I do hope the two missing cards show up soon.

At least two, posts #29 and #931.

[Republicaninmass]

I believe it's called "conjecture", counselor. From staring at screens in one's darkened basement, this board has plenty of it.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Attachment 622715

Should have been numbered to 54....

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

At least two, posts #29 and #931.

Ahh, thank you. Hopefully others will post their winnings once they receive.

[vintagerookies51]

Originally Posted by mkskillz013

Well, I was aware of net54 for years from a distance and stumbled onto this thread when looking for information about the theft. I kept abreast by reading all 900 posts (many of which felt like old lawyers trying to prove who’s smarter), and frankly found all of the information I needed. Then I go to check the pop on the cards they found, only to annoyingly see them deactivated. I asked a simple (maybe naive to some) question in here and was met by a variety of sarcasm. Obviously I could ask PSA, but I’m also bound to get a faster (and probably as accurate) answer here. All good, enjoy your next 30,000 posts…I’m probably done at 3.

p.s. don’t be so quick to alienate…your family will need people to buy all this stuff when you kick the bucket.

Had a good laugh at this one - far too many people have been chased away from this forum by a bunch of old men yelling at clouds

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by vintagerookies51

Had a good laugh at this one - far too many people have been chased away from this forum by a bunch of old men yelling at clouds

I firmly believe that is conducive to rain production.


Brian (my Native American name is 'Man Yells at Clouds')

[ALBB]

it seems if the guy was a bit smarter about it, he could have possibly gotten away with it

Would have to had sit on the cards for years, obviously break them out of holders, maybe give the cards a little nick/crease/ writing mark, etc, finally go to an " out of state" show..maybe one card at a time with the " line" I have the old card..looking to trade it... possibly could be done

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by ALBB

it seems if the guy was a bit smarter about it, he could have possibly gotten away with it

Would have to had sit on the cards for years, obviously break them out of holders, maybe give the cards a little nick/crease/ writing mark, etc, finally go to an " out of state" show..maybe one card at a time with the " line" I have the old card..looking to trade it... possibly could be done

Looking at the mug shot, it appears this might be asking just a bit too much from him.

Brian

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by ALBB

it seems if the guy was a bit smarter about it, he could have possibly gotten away with it

Would have to had sit on the cards for years, obviously break them out of holders, maybe give the cards a little nick/crease/ writing mark, etc, finally go to an " out of state" show..maybe one card at a time with the " line" I have the old card..looking to trade it... possibly could be done

Quitting his job at the Best Western Plus was a huge red flag. Who in their right mind would do that unless they had a couple mil in assets socked away.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Quitting his job at the Best Western Plus was a huge red flag. Who in their right mind would do that unless they had a couple mil in assets socked away.

He probably did have a couple of mil in his Best Western Plus 401K.

[KingFisk]

Is this the same guy who robbed a Brinks truck about 15 years ago? Same name but allegedly had cleaned up his act. However same age, same state as this fellow.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

o further their alleged fraud scheme, Curcio ordered several items necessary to create forged card cases and labels to pass off the cards as graded, court documents allege.

They included plastic holders, thermal transfer barcode labels, a magnifier loupe optical glass, a handheld inkjet printer, a lock-cutting kit, an electric grinding pen, an abrasive buffer and polishing wheel, an abrasive and bristle brushes and drill bits designed for engraving, prosecutors said.

“Anthony Curcio and Iosif Bondarchuk carried out a brazen, nationwide fraud scheme involving valuable sports and Pokémon trading cards to deceive buyers and marketplaces, ultimately amassing over $2 million in fraudulent and attempted sales,” U.S. Attorney Damian Williams said in a statement. “Curcio and Bondarchuk allegedly sold and tried to sell at inflated prices cards of various professional athletes, including, among others, Michael Jordan, Tom Brady, Nolan Ryan, Larry Bird, Julius Erving, and Magic Johnson, as well as various valuable Pokémon cards.

Hmmmm.. I bet it's a lot more than $2 million if it went on for years.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by KingFisk

Is this the same guy who robbed a Brinks truck about 15 years ago? Same name but allegedly had cleaned up his act. However same age, same state as this fellow.

I think so. Made a side living giving inspirational speeches about learning from mistakes.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Carter08

I think so. Made a side living giving inspirational speeches about learning from mistakes.

He learned from his mistakes...he figured out he needed to take a different pathway to undeserved easy money.


Brian

[Kco]

Originally Posted by ALBB

it seems if the guy was a bit smarter about it, he could have possibly gotten away with it

Would have to had sit on the cards for years, obviously break them out of holders, maybe give the cards a little nick/crease/ writing mark, etc, finally go to an " out of state" show..maybe one card at a time with the " line" I have the old card..looking to trade it... possibly could be done

All he realistically would've needed was an unethical buyer with a deep wallet, its akin to stolen art, even if said buyer paid 20 cents on the dollar for the cards and knew they were stolen and couldn't really advertise they owned them, they get a bunch of monster cards for virtually free.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Kco

All he realistically would've needed was an unethical buyer with a deep wallet, its akin to stolen art, even if said buyer paid 20 cents on the dollar for the cards and knew they were stolen and couldn't really advertise they owned them, they get a bunch of monster cards for virtually free.

But sooner or later the brain surgeon who quit his prestigious job at the Best Western Plus would talk too much, and the buyer would be looking at prison time for buying stolen goods.

[4815162342]

Update: Man Accused of Stealing $2.1 Million in Cards in Court; 2nd Arrest ‘Expected’

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...-jacob-paxton/

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

Update: Man Accused of Stealing $2.1 Million in Cards in Court; 2nd Arrest ‘Expected’

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...-jacob-paxton/

In life, we sometimes come to a proverbial fork in the road, when the next decision we make sends our life down a particular path.

Despite a no questions asked reward being offered, the cards remained missing. Paxton is now facing a charge that could result in a lengthy jail sentence.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Mark17

In life, we sometimes come to a proverbial fork in the road, when the next decision we make sends our life down a particular path.

Despite a no questions asked reward being offered, the cards remained missing. Paxton is now facing a charge that could result in a lengthy jail sentence.

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Mark17

In life, we sometimes come to a proverbial fork in the road, when the next decision we make sends our life down a particular path.

Despite a no questions asked reward being offered, the cards remained missing. Paxton is now facing a charge that could result in a lengthy jail sentence.

That reminds me of one of my favorite quotes:

It is fate, destiny or nemesis. Perhaps the dawning of knowledge, the coming of sin. Or more prosaically, the catastrophe that awaits everyone from a single false move, wrong turn, fatal encounter. Every life has such a moment. What distinguishes us is whether -- and how -- we ever come back.

[4815162342]

Update: Second Man Arrested in $2.1 Million Card Theft

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...on-card-theft/

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

Update: Second Man Arrested in $2.1 Million Card Theft

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...on-card-theft/

Dude needs to tighten up that beard for his perp shot if he ever wants a chance for a cameo on "Americas dumbest criminals".

Props to the Strongsville Police for a job well done, I bet if they go Abu Ghraib on Paxton for the other two cards and he'll fold like a cheap card table, leading to a 3rd arrest.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Dude needs to tighten up that beard for his perp shot if he ever wants a chance for a cameo on "Americas dumbest criminals".

Props to the Strongsville Police for a job well done, I bet if they go Abu Ghraib on Paxton for the other two cards and he'll fold like a cheap card table, leading to a 3rd arrest.

It's weird I assumed he had just managed to unload two cards and would gladly tell the police to whom he sold them (as opposed to a third conspirator) to try and show cooperation at this point. I figured they'd be back in hand in a few days.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

It's weird I assumed he had just managed to unload two cards and would gladly tell the police to whom he sold them (as opposed to a third conspirator) to try and show cooperation at this point. I figured they'd be back in hand in a few days.

I agree. Maybe he did and they just haven't been able to locate the person yet? Look how long it took to make the second arrest, and that was for storing the cards which were presumably at his house where they were located. You would have thought he would have been arrested faster than 2 weeks if the cards were found at his house.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

It's weird I assumed he had just managed to unload two cards and would gladly tell the police to whom he sold them (as opposed to a third conspirator) to try and show cooperation at this point. I figured they'd be back in hand in a few days.

Maybe he sold them to random people at the show (non-table holders) and doesn't know who they were.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Maybe he sold them to random people at the show (non-table holders) and doesn't know who they were.

That woulda been ballsy!

[wayne97]

For the lawyers in the group--Won't the cards be held in evidence until after the trial is completed

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by wayne97

For the lawyers in the group--Won't the cards be held in evidence until after the trial is completed

I'm not a lawyer either, but what would the actual physical cards prove as evidence as long as there is an incontrovertible record of when and how they were recovered?

Since ML has started shipping them I'm guessing no.

[Kidnapped18]

No...see Post #48

Originally Posted by wayne97

For the lawyers in the group--Won't the cards be held in evidence until after the trial is completed

[4815162342]

Update: Grand Jury Indicts Two Accused in $2.1 Million Baseball Card Theft

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...ll-card-theft/

[brob28]

Originally Posted by sportscardpete

This doesn’t make sense, why would ML keep an auction running if the items were stolen? Something doesn’t add up.

My guess is to establish value for insurance purposes.

[Peter_Spaeth]

1000 posts in, and you're responding months later to one on the first page which has been discussed in literally hundreds of subseqauent posts? Sorry, but

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

1000 posts in, and you're responding months later to one on the first page which has been discussed in literally hundreds of subseqauent posts? Sorry, but

We finally agree on this thread . Too funny lol

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I'm not a lawyer either, but what would the actual physical cards prove as evidence as long as there is an incontrovertible record of when and how they were recovered?

Since ML has started shipping them I'm guessing no.

According to the Sports Collectors Daily article that was published today, it states: "The 52 cards recovered by Strongsville Police are still being held as evidence."

[calvindog]

I don’t expect the winners to receive their cards next week. Or next month.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I'm not a lawyer either, but what would the actual physical cards prove as evidence as long as there is an incontrovertible record of when and how they were recovered?

Since ML has started shipping them I'm guessing no.

Where did the information come from that they had started shipping?

[Rhotchkiss]

Update on my end - I have been paid 100% for my consignments, including the t204 Ramly Johnson that is still missing.

[brunswickreeves]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Update on my end - I have been paid 100% for my consignments, including the t204 Ramly Johnson that is still missing.

Thrilled for this very positive outcome! Congrats on the sales and continued good relations with ML.