Final UPDATE. PSA Guarantee on a doctored card - Actual good news this time

[TiffanyCards]

Originally Posted by Snowman

LOL - Nobody cares about that database. Even the majority of people who are aware of it still probably don't care.

I think collectors care. Flippers and card doctors do not.


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[Leon]

No doubt. Card doctors can go Eff themselves.... as far as flippers, no, they only care about $$ too

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

I think collectors care. Flippers and card doctors do not.

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[bobbyw8469]

I don't think there are true flippers. Most flip to help offset the growing expense of their own stash. Being card rich and cash poor is no fun.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I don't think there are true flippers. Most flip to help offset the growing expense of their own stash. Being card rich and cash poor is no fun.

Most of those guys are really running a small business. They just tell themselves and others it is a hobby to avoid paying taxes and running a legit business.

It is great the OP is getting some compensation for the altered card.

I love what Tiffany Cards and others do but I honestly can't imagine even 1/10 of 1% of collectors even know it exists. I don't know many PSA flip collectors but know many that collect PSA graded cards. I asked a few and nobody even checks the certs on PSAs website. I know I never have on a single PSA card I have purchased. Many people collect for fun and avoid all the BS to keep it fun for them. For some the BS is the fun part.

[tjisonline]

people really should check their SGC and PSA certs 1-2 times per year cards get deactivated out of the blue "months" after the purchase cert check. all it takes is someone to file a police report w/ that cert reported as stolen.

Originally Posted by bnorth

I don't know many PSA flip collectors but know many that collect PSA graded cards. I asked a few and nobody even checks the certs on PSAs website. I know I never have on a single PSA card I have purchased. Many people collect for fun and avoid all the BS to keep it fun for them. For some the BS is the fun part.

[TiffanyCards]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Most of those guys are really running a small business. They just tell themselves and others it is a hobby to avoid paying taxes and running a legit business.

It is great the OP is getting some compensation for the altered card.

I love what Tiffany Cards and others do but I honestly can't imagine even 1/10 of 1% of collectors even know it exists. I don't know many PSA flip collectors but know many that collect PSA graded cards. I asked a few and nobody even checks the certs on PSAs website. I know I never have on a single PSA card I have purchased. Many people collect for fun and avoid all the BS to keep it fun for them. For some the BS is the fun part.

Collecting for fun to avoid the BS is exactly what the card doctors prey upon. They don’t want you to check certs and hate the altered card database bc it’s an easy way to check.


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[Snowman]

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

Collecting for fun to avoid the BS is exactly what the card doctors prey upon. They don’t want you to check certs and hate the altered card database bc it’s an easy way to check.

Is it though? Is it really an easy way to check? When I tried to use it a couple of months ago I let the spreadsheet load for about 10 minutes and gave up. Have you looked into using an actual database instead of an Excel file? Postgres SQL is pretty easy to use and it's open source.

Also, the victims of the publishing of these certs are almost entirely the end collectors like raulus, not the card doctors. As you stated earlier, the card doctors don't care at all. PSA determines which certs are valid, not some person on the internet who comes up with her own definition of what it means for a card to be "altered". You can flag a card as "altered" but it isn't going to affect the hammer price of an auction as long as the cert is still valid.

I've even offered to soak a card (which you consider to be an "alteration") and put a sticker on the back with your logo on it, and to advertise it as being in your database. I said I think I could even sell it for more than an average copy. I wasn't joking. Do I have your permission to make a sticker with your logo on it and to sell it advertising your database? I'll even send you the before and after pics of the soaked card. It'll be a fun experiment.

[TiffanyCards]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Is it though? Is it really an easy way to check? When I tried to use it a couple of months ago I let the spreadsheet load for about 10 minutes and gave up. Have you looked into using an actual database instead of an Excel file? Postgres SQL is pretty easy to use and it's open source.

Also, the victims of the publishing of these certs are almost entirely the end collectors like raulus, not the card doctors. As you stated earlier, the card doctors don't care at all. PSA determines which certs are valid, not some person on the internet who comes up with her own definition of what it means for a card to be "altered". You can flag a card as "altered" but it isn't going to affect the hammer price of an auction as long as the cert is still valid.

I've even offered to soak a card (which you consider to be an "alteration") and put a sticker on the back with your logo on it, and to advertise it as being in your database. I said I think I could even sell it for more than an average copy. I wasn't joking. Do I have your permission to make a sticker with your logo on it and to sell it advertising your database? I'll even send you the before and after pics of the soaked card. It'll be a fun experiment.

When I tried to have a conversation with you about it, didn’t you try to get me banned from this forum? No need for a sticker when you could just disclose it in your listing. Do you have cards that you sold on the altered card database? Do you disclose it in your listings? Why not?

Grading companies are more reactive than proactive when it comes to decertifying cards. Which is why the altered card database exists. It’s not perfect, but it is easy and free to use.


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