Take Note, Ty Cobb Fans

[z28jd]

I can't imagine Gibson would take over the career leader mark, he only has 2,526 plate appearances accounted for to come up with that career average. That's well off would should be the minimum to become an all-time leader. Baseball-Reference updated their stats two years ago and he's not even on their low standards for qualifying (3,000 PAs)

If they would allow the National Association to be among Major League stats, Levi Meyerle would take that top spot with his .492 average in 1871.

This is similar to when I tell people the Pirates career average leader is Jake Stenzel. He's #1 on BR, so you have "proof" that it is true, but how do you compare his .360 average over 1,755 ABs to Paul Waner hitting .340 over 8,429 ABs. You can't use 8,000+ ABs for a team leaderboard, barely anyone would qualify all around baseball, but 1,755 seems way too low.

[campyfan39]

I hate it personally.
The record keeping, competition, schedules etc. were all totally different. Seems no matter what has been done to try to recognize the accomplishments of the Negro Leagues, its not ever enough.

We going to add Japanese league or barnstorming or minor league stats? Dominican leagues?

[Bpm0014]

^^^^ Exactly this

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Too bad there aren't more Josh Gibson cards. Or all the big time black players of that era for that matter. Would have been so amazing if they played along side all the greats of that era to get true stats for everyone.

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

I hate it personally.
The record keeping, competition, schedules etc. were all totally different. Seems no matter what has been done to try to recognize the accomplishments of the Negro Leagues, its not ever enough.

We going to add Japanese league or barnstorming or minor league stats? Dominican leagues?

I don't like it only because they are working with partial stats to come up with these "records".

As far as the barnstorming part, I liked the inclusion of Negro League stats because that was one of the things people said about the National Association not being MLB. The schedule wasn't normal and they were playing exhibition games in between games. The people who want to keep the NA out of the majors didn't want to lower the bar, but their excuses don't hold water now. Those players should be officially recognized by MLB. At least with that league we have all of the stats available.

I say all that, but I don't really care what MLB "officially" recognizes. I do the research on topics and once I'm 100% convinced, then what they say doesn't matter to me. I call out the Pirates all the time for claiming that they have been around since 1887. I'll correct people who quote their year too. I recognize Paul Hines' unassisted triple play. If they don't agree, that's their problem. Do better research.

[Klrdds]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

I hate it personally.
The record keeping, competition, schedules etc. were all totally different. Seems no matter what has been done to try to recognize the accomplishments of the Negro Leagues, its not ever enough.

We going to add Japanese league or barnstorming or minor league stats? Dominican leagues?

Well stated Campyfan39 .
I agree 100%

[ChasingPaper]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

I hate it personally.
The record keeping, competition, schedules etc. were all totally different. Seems no matter what has been done to try to recognize the accomplishments of the Negro Leagues, its not ever enough.

We going to add Japanese league or barnstorming or minor league stats? Dominican leagues?

100% this.

[packs]

I just find that viewpoint bizarre. Major league Baseball made a very deliberate decision to include Negro League stats. Why would people take that deliberate, measured, and well thought out decision, and decide that MLB would lose all sight of what they're doing and recognize stats from barnstorming games?

I find it equally bizarre that people would suggest the Negro League talent level was sub-par but not make the same general point about MLB players not competing against Negro League players. You can't say that the Negro League had sub-pro level players without making the same point about the MLB not competing against them.

[Moonlight Graham]

I say keep the stats separate. The same way you have separate museums-one in Cooperstown and one in Missouri. Each museum details the story of each particular baseball history.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Moonlight Graham

I say keep the stats separate. The same way you have separate museums-one in Cooperstown and one in Missouri. Each museum details the story of each particular baseball history.

You do realize that there are many players that solely played in the Negro Leagues enshrined in Cooperstown, right?

Cooperstown gets a lot more visitors than the Negro League Hall of Fame in Kansas City.

Similarly, by integrating the stats of the 7 Major Negro Leagues with the MLB you are providing a lot more recognition of the talent in the Negro Leagues than if you kept them separate.

[Moonlight Graham]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

You do realize that there are many players that solely played in the Negro Leagues enshrined in Cooperstown, right?

Cooperstown gets a lot more visitors than the Negro League Hall of Fame in Kansas City.

Similarly, by integrating the stats of the 7 Major Negro Leagues with the MLB you are providing a lot more recognition of the talent in the Negro Leagues than if you kept them separate.

I do realize that, but history is history.

Joe K.

[gonefishin]

Just wondering if we will now have 3 women that have played in MLB; Toni Stone, Connie Morgan and Peanut Johnson?

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by gonefishin

Just wondering if we will now have 3 women that have played in MLB; Toni Stone, Connie Morgan and Peanut Johnson?

I don't think any of those 3 women played in any of the 7 Major Negro Leagues prior to integration. I think they all played in the 50's after integration, and after what is considered Major Negro League play ceased.

[molenick]

Originally Posted by gonefishin

Just wondering if we will now have 3 women that have played in MLB; Toni Stone, Connie Morgan and Peanut Johnson?

I had never heard of these women and was curious. Since they all played in what was left of the Negro Leagues in the 1950's, and since the recognition of the Negro Leagues as major leagues only covers 1920-1948, I don't think they would be considered as having played in MLB.

[gonefishin]

Originally Posted by molenick

I had never heard of these women and was curious. Since they all played in what was left of the Negro Leagues in the 1950's, and since the recognition of the Negro Leagues as major leagues only covers 1920-1948, I don't think they would be considered as having played in MLB.

I don't think they received much publicity, but I'm glad I held on to this signed baseball by all 3.

[aljurgela]

these guys do deserve respect for sure (as do their cards)....