Take Note, Ty Cobb Fans

[Casey2296]

Congrats to Gibson and the other NL players to finally be recognized.
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Patiently waiting for Ty Cobb prices to come down now.
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[tjisonline]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Congrats to Gibson and the other NL players to finally be recognized.
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Patiently waiting for Ty Cobb prices to come down now.
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…and Babe Ruth.

[BigfootIsReal]

Becket, since he's God, just announced Cobb prices to decline by 47% and Ruth 41%

[z28jd]

I can't imagine Gibson would take over the career leader mark, he only has 2,526 plate appearances accounted for to come up with that career average. That's well off would should be the minimum to become an all-time leader. Baseball-Reference updated their stats two years ago and he's not even on their low standards for qualifying (3,000 PAs)

If they would allow the National Association to be among Major League stats, Levi Meyerle would take that top spot with his .492 average in 1871.

This is similar to when I tell people the Pirates career average leader is Jake Stenzel. He's #1 on BR, so you have "proof" that it is true, but how do you compare his .360 average over 1,755 ABs to Paul Waner hitting .340 over 8,429 ABs. You can't use 8,000+ ABs for a team leaderboard, barely anyone would qualify all around baseball, but 1,755 seems way too low.

[campyfan39]

I hate it personally.
The record keeping, competition, schedules etc. were all totally different. Seems no matter what has been done to try to recognize the accomplishments of the Negro Leagues, its not ever enough.

We going to add Japanese league or barnstorming or minor league stats? Dominican leagues?

[Bpm0014]

^^^^ Exactly this

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Too bad there aren't more Josh Gibson cards. Or all the big time black players of that era for that matter. Would have been so amazing if they played along side all the greats of that era to get true stats for everyone.

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

I hate it personally.
The record keeping, competition, schedules etc. were all totally different. Seems no matter what has been done to try to recognize the accomplishments of the Negro Leagues, its not ever enough.

We going to add Japanese league or barnstorming or minor league stats? Dominican leagues?

I don't like it only because they are working with partial stats to come up with these "records".

As far as the barnstorming part, I liked the inclusion of Negro League stats because that was one of the things people said about the National Association not being MLB. The schedule wasn't normal and they were playing exhibition games in between games. The people who want to keep the NA out of the majors didn't want to lower the bar, but their excuses don't hold water now. Those players should be officially recognized by MLB. At least with that league we have all of the stats available.

I say all that, but I don't really care what MLB "officially" recognizes. I do the research on topics and once I'm 100% convinced, then what they say doesn't matter to me. I call out the Pirates all the time for claiming that they have been around since 1887. I'll correct people who quote their year too. I recognize Paul Hines' unassisted triple play. If they don't agree, that's their problem. Do better research.

[Klrdds]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

I hate it personally.
The record keeping, competition, schedules etc. were all totally different. Seems no matter what has been done to try to recognize the accomplishments of the Negro Leagues, its not ever enough.

We going to add Japanese league or barnstorming or minor league stats? Dominican leagues?

Well stated Campyfan39 .
I agree 100%

[ChasingPaper]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

I hate it personally.
The record keeping, competition, schedules etc. were all totally different. Seems no matter what has been done to try to recognize the accomplishments of the Negro Leagues, its not ever enough.

We going to add Japanese league or barnstorming or minor league stats? Dominican leagues?

100% this.

[packs]

I just find that viewpoint bizarre. Major league Baseball made a very deliberate decision to include Negro League stats. Why would people take that deliberate, measured, and well thought out decision, and decide that MLB would lose all sight of what they're doing and recognize stats from barnstorming games?

I find it equally bizarre that people would suggest the Negro League talent level was sub-par but not make the same general point about MLB players not competing against Negro League players. You can't say that the Negro League had sub-pro level players without making the same point about the MLB not competing against them.

[Moonlight Graham]

I say keep the stats separate. The same way you have separate museums-one in Cooperstown and one in Missouri. Each museum details the story of each particular baseball history.

[gonefishin]

Just wondering if we will now have 3 women that have played in MLB; Toni Stone, Connie Morgan and Peanut Johnson?