FS: Rare 1910 E-UNC Ty Cobb -- New Card Added

[joshuabotnick2]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

If he gave you permission, why within 30 minutes did you think you had made a mistake and that it would have a bad effect on the seller? This does not make sense to me.

And while you're at it, you might recount the communications that led up to cancellation of the deal.

[joshuabotnick2]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by joshuabotnick2

Because even if he did, it is still not the right thing to do to a friend, I had intended to keep it as a PC Card. I do not want to share private messages, as it is an invasion of privacy;
However when asked if he minded he said it is “my card” and I could do what I want with it.

I am not saying you did anything wrong or that you were not wronged, but you aren't making sense. Obviously something happened that led to this deal not going through. And it seems you're fine sharing private messages when they favor your story.

[Zan]

Originally Posted by joshuabotnick2

Because even if he did, it is still not the right thing to do to a friend, I had intended to keep it as a PC Card. I do not want to share private messages, as it is an invasion of privacy;
However when asked if he minded he said it is “my card” and I could do what I want with it.

Regardless of such, I do not intend to comment on this subject any more. The deal was cancelled, the price was changed and the info is out there. People can form their own opinions. But I am done

I thought you were done but you posted 5 more times after sharing this, so apparently you're knee deep.

[Paulcurlee1]

Is anyone else wondering where the parents are in this whole deal? I sure as shit a) didn’t have 200 let alone 3500 or 12k to spend on cards when I was 17 & 18 and b) showed deference to older folks or ask my parents for help when dealing with adults. My dad would’ve slapped the taste out of my mouth if I addressed adults this way when I was 17&18

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Paulcurlee1

Is anyone else wondering where the parents are in this whole deal? I sure as shit a) didn’t have 200 let alone 3500 or 12k to spend on cards when I was 17 & 18 and b) showed deference to older folks or ask my parents for help when dealing with adults. My dad would’ve slapped the taste out of my mouth if I addressed adults this way when I was 17&18

With the internet, and devices, kids have their own lives that are not visible to their parents from a very young age.

[mrreality68]

I hope things work out between the 2 after a cooling down period.
Or at least both can just put this behind them and move on separately

Time to move on.

The thread is no longer a BST thread for a sale of cards and a new thread is needed for that.

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by Paulcurlee1

Is anyone else wondering where the parents are in this whole deal? I sure as shit a) didn’t have 200 let alone 3500 or 12k to spend on cards when I was 17 & 18 and b) showed deference to older folks or ask my parents for help when dealing with adults. My dad would’ve slapped the taste out of my mouth if I addressed adults this way when I was 17&18

Yep, if that was my kid there would be consequences. Not good ones either...

[calvindog]

Troy, thanks. Josh is someone I had treated like a son, was a friend of my family in California — and he pulled one of the scummiest moves imaginable, just over a few bucks. The money is meaningless to me but the disloyalty and dishonesty is not something I’ll forget.

And Josh, next time you get the urge to ask me to donate to a charity via your fraternity, lose my number. I did it once without a second’s hesitation. You can find another sucker next time.

[joshuabotnick2]

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[calvindog]

Actually I wasn’t in that fraternity. And you don’t take advantage of a friend, especially a friend who goes out of his way for you, and who treats you the way I treated you. Unless you’re just a greasy scumbag who only cares about money. Your many apologies to me in private are belied by your stance here. I’m sickened by what you did and I’m sickened by you. Hope it was worth it.

[joshuabotnick2]

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[calvindog]

Originally Posted by joshuabotnick2

You calling me while I was with family , at 10pm at night, proceeding to scream profanities, threaten me and my friendships, and flaunt your wealth and power at me while my parents were sitting next to me isn’t a great look either. Especially for someone in your position and someone 4x my age.

Work on your math. It’s as bad as your ethics.

[Maxjacks]

Originally Posted by joshuabotnick2

Jeff. You listed a card for a price, I and I bought your card at your listing price. I was going to keep it as a PC Card. Anybody could have bought the card, it was a public listing with a public price.

Your cousin was also in that fraternity and you are also in the same fraternity, hence why I sent it to you. It was also a charity for something that you say you support, israel. There is no issue with sending it to another “brother”.

Please don’t call me a scum acting like you have ethics.

Josh I wasn't going to post again but you can not say that you were going to keep something as a PC card if you tried to sell it so fast that you did not even receive it in the mail yet

[Peter_Spaeth]

Hopefully Josh is not representative of the next generation of the hobby.

[Maxjacks]

Originally Posted by joshuabotnick2

Hey Troy, great to hear from you. I posted the card to see if anyone had interest after getting permission to do so by the seller. I asked if he’d mind if I posted, his answer was no, he wouldn’t. With that, I posted on 1 Facebook group (DOND Group). 30 minutes later after acknowledging my mistake and its affect it would have on the seller, I took down it down. That is the rest of the story; I asked for permission to post, got permission, and took it down.

Ps. Thank you for the podcast shoutout

Josh I want to suggest to you again like I did on facebook that you should take a break. You are not doing yourself any favors on here.
I have nothing against resellers in the least but there is a right and wrong way of doing things and I think you missed the boat on this one.

You and Jeff were friends and you told half-truths to him and in my opinion lied through omission about your motives.

You dug up an old thread and Jeff stood by his price which many would not have done on such an old thread. You knew how much the other one sold for when you bought it again Jeff was a friend of yours.
Then you asked him if you could post it for sale while neglecting to tell him again how much it was worth again this is someone you said was your friend.

Then when you posted it in the dond thread you quoted the comp and turned down offers well over what you paid but when people mentioned it you deleted the thread.

You say you were not buying to flip but this all happened because you were so anxious to sell it that Jeff had not even had a chance to ship it.

Again he agreed to sell it and took your money but if you do not honestly see issue with how you treated one of your "Friends" I definitely know I do not wish to be one of your friends. I am sure many others probably feel the same way

The people upset at you are not upset because you are reselling they are upset because of how you conducted yourself.





Max Jackson