1991 Topps variations

[Pat R]

Has anyone seen this Chipper variation before?

White spot on cap and white near/on left inner frame

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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Has anyone seen this Chipper variation before?

White spot on cap and white near/on left inner frame

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Never seen the white spot print error before. Seen one with a red spot in pretty much the same place.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Never seen the white spot print error before. Seen one with a red spot in pretty much the same place.

Thanks Ben. I had never seen one before either so I'm trying to find out if it's a RPD or just a one off print flaw.

On another note does anyone know what the bottom pack in these images is called. I have opened a lot of 15 count wax and cello packs but this is the first time that I have come across these.
Unlike the 15 count wax and cellos that have 8 cards facing one direction and 7 facing the opposite direction with the instant win game in between the two stacks these are packed with all 15
cards facing down from the front and the instant win game is on the bottom facing up.
I think from information that I found they might be grocery packs?


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[steve B]

Those were I think available through grocery stores on their own, perhaps replacing the grocery racks.
Somehow I thought they were thicker, but I could be wrong. I probably have one somewhere. I saved and occasionally save odd packs.

[Pat R]

I think that the Desert shield cards are associated with the base glow backs while the Tiffany cards are associated with the base no glow backs. I'm seeing the association with several of the base variations.

A couple of examples are- on #744 Nelson Santovenia with all the glow back base and Dessert Shield cards part of the S in totals is missing while all of the no glow base and Tiffany cards have the full S. Another example is the subjects found with the dark "hash mark". On the subjects that are found both with and without the marks the ones without the marks are only found on some no glow base cards, with those subjects the Desert Shield cards have the mark and the Tiffany cards don't.

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It could turn out that I'm wrong about this but what I'm seeing so far indicates there is an association with the variations that I've checked.

[Pat R]

Checklist #527 with #105 Kevin McReynolds and #719 Keith Miller has two variations one of them has a grid type pattern around the two numbers.
I don't know if it has something to do with when they made the correction but it shows up better in hand then it does in a scan. A few of both can be found on COMC.

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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Checklist #527 with #105 Kevin McReynolds and #719 Keith Miller has two variations one of them has a grid type pattern around the two numbers.
I don't know if it has something to do with when they made the correction but it shows up better in hand then it does in a scan. A few of both can be found on COMC.

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I went back and checked all of my cards on these and all of the examples with the "grid pattern" are non glow backs and the ones without it are all glow backs.

[deweyinthehall]

[QUOTE=Pat R;2434215]Thanks Ben. I had never seen one before either so I'm trying to find out if it's a RPD or just a one off print flaw.

On another note does anyone know what the bottom pack in these images is called. I have opened a lot of 15 count wax and cello packs but this is the first time that I have come across these.
Unlike the 15 count wax and cellos that have 8 cards facing one direction and 7 facing the opposite direction with the instant win game in between the two stacks these are packed with all 15
cards facing down from the front and the instant win game is on the bottom facing up.
I think from information that I found they might be grocery packs?


This link might help you:
https://mrpekrul.wixsite.com/narcissism/1991

In 1989, 1990 and 1991 Topps marketed cello-wrapped packs which were identical in every way to wax packs just in cello wrapping. Because the packs took up extra space, boxes were slightly larger than regular wax boxes. I don't know where these were marketed.

I refer to these as wax pack variants, so as not to confused them with the standard cellos, large cellos and jumbos which would be issued in these years as well.

[Pat R]

[QUOTE=deweyinthehall;2479569]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Thanks Ben. I had never seen one before either so I'm trying to find out if it's a RPD or just a one off print flaw.

On another note does anyone know what the bottom pack in these images is called. I have opened a lot of 15 count wax and cello packs but this is the first time that I have come across these.
Unlike the 15 count wax and cellos that have 8 cards facing one direction and 7 facing the opposite direction with the instant win game in between the two stacks these are packed with all 15
cards facing down from the front and the instant win game is on the bottom facing up.
I think from information that I found they might be grocery packs?


This link might help you:
https://mrpekrul.wixsite.com/narcissism/1991

In 1989, 1990 and 1991 Topps marketed cello-wrapped packs which were identical in every way to wax packs just in cello wrapping. Because the packs took up extra space, boxes were slightly larger than regular wax boxes. I don't know where these were marketed.

I refer to these as wax pack variants, so as not to confused them with the standard cellos, large cellos and jumbos which would be issued in these years as well.

Thanks. I have done quite a bit of research since I asked about them. I think that they were mostly and possibly solely marketed on the west coast and Hawaii. I also think some of the variations can be broke down into East or West coast. I plan on posting about that and some other information when I get all of it in order.

[Zach Wheat]

The DS packs I have opened all followed the standard format Ben mentioned above.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

The DS packs I have opened all followed the standard format Ben mentioned above.

I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to but the Desert Storm and Tiffany cards were likely a one print run so you wouldn't find many or any variations in them or their packaging. The base set however had several print runs. I haven't got into the DS or Tiffany cards much yet but from what I've seen the DS cards seem to line up with one of the base set runs while the Tiffany seems to line up with a different base print run. I believe the cello wrapped packs were also also a one print run while the wax and regular cello's had several runs and I think even the Rack packs had two different runs.