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Old 05-07-2024, 04:16 PM
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Sane question. Who was hurt, and how?
To be clear, your argument is that if I cannot prove definable injury to anyone, lying is okay? You think it would be acceptable for me to do this in the BST and reveal after the auction I didn’t have the cards, they’d been stolen and I said nothing, but I needed to value them for my insurance claim, thanks for bidding in this farce, because, since nobody paid, nobody had a definable fiscal damage?


I think we all know not a single person would support this if it was not an auction house many like.
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Old 05-07-2024, 04:28 PM
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To be clear, your argument is that if I cannot prove definable injury to anyone, lying is okay? You think it would be acceptable for me to do this in the BST and reveal after the auction I didn’t have the cards, they’d been stolen and I said nothing, but I needed to value them for my insurance claim, thanks for bidding in this farce, because, since nobody paid, nobody had a definable fiscal damage?


I think we all know not a single person would support this if it was not an auction house many like.
It also directly affects one of if not the most popular and respected members. And that’s a fair consideration but I have a sense folks would not be so forgiving if it didn’t. Just my two cents.
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Old 05-07-2024, 04:34 PM
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It also directly affects one of if not the most popular and respected members. And that’s a fair consideration but I have a sense folks would not be so forgiving if it didn’t. Just my two cents.
It’s abundantly clear that ethics selectively apply based on who benefits, and we will twist into a pretzel to defend any conduct if it produces the desired outcome. It’s absurd and stupid to argue backwards from conclusion and to pretend that things 100% of us know are wrong when someone we don’t like does it are totally fine when someone we do like or see benefit in defending does it, but it will usually carry a majority vote in the world.
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To those blasting ML: If you are the auction company and your insurance provider says "let the auction run to conclusion or we won't pay" what do you do?

I assume all of those who are sharpening their pitchforks and getting their torches ready would just pay the consignors out of pocket and tell the insurance company to take a flying leap?

I don't KNOW that this is what happened. But I suspect it's not all that far off.
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Old 05-07-2024, 04:54 PM
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To those blasting ML: If you are the auction company and your insurance provider says "let the auction run to conclusion or we won't pay" what do you do?

I assume all of those who are sharpening their pitchforks and getting their torches ready would just pay the consignors out of pocket and tell the insurance company to take a flying leap?

I don't KNOW that this is what happened. But I suspect it's not all that far off.
Again, I would love to see any insurance policy that requires someone to host a fraudulent fake auction after a theft in order to assign value to the items. Perhaps this is on the insurance provider, but this requirement that ML's fans are postulating seems to be extremely unlikely.
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Old 05-07-2024, 05:17 PM
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Again, I would love to see any insurance policy that requires someone to host a fraudulent fake auction after a theft in order to assign value to the items. Perhaps this is on the insurance provider, but this requirement that ML's fans are postulating seems to be extremely unlikely.
Thank you.

I am besides myself that in 2024, a major AH tried to sell STOLEN cards in an auction. Such sad times.
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To those blasting ML: If you are the auction company and your insurance provider says "let the auction run to conclusion or we won't pay" what do you do?

I assume all of those who are sharpening their pitchforks and getting their torches ready would just pay the consignors out of pocket and tell the insurance company to take a flying leap?

I don't KNOW that this is what happened. But I suspect it's not all that far off.
You’re focusing on the second aspect which is debatable at best. The first aspect appears to be mailing expensive items to Best Western management and hoping for the best. That would be ridiculed hard if not for who is involved/affected.
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