Final UPDATE. PSA Guarantee on a doctored card - Actual good news this time

[raulus]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Understood, thought this was the sentiment, but wanted to confirm. I’m sorry to hear this. What do you think your next steps will be?

At this point, my only options are to sell it and let someone else deal with it, or else to sit on it.

Not really excited about either of these options.

I suppose I could also buy another one, and slide this one to the back of the closet until I decide what I want to do about it. But that comes with a pretty hefty price tag.

So I'm likely to continue to do nothing, whilst aggressively directing negative energy at this piece every time it comes within eyeshot. Curse you, Moser!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

At this point, my only options are to sell it and let someone else deal with it, or else to sit on it.

Not really excited about either of these options.

I suppose I could also buy another one, and slide this one to the back of the closet until I decide what I want to do about it. But that comes with a pretty hefty price tag.

So I'm likely to continue to do nothing, whilst aggressively directing negative energy at this piece every time it comes within eyeshot. Curse you, Moser!

Sell it, hopefully with disclosure, and replace it. Not worth the aggravation.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Sell it, hopefully with disclosure, and replace it. Not worth the aggravation.

I think my biggest misgiving about that approach is knowing that whoever buys it is likely to flip it, but without disclosure, to a buyer who would likely be oblivious to the history.

So I would be enriching someone willing to go there, and sticking someone else with it who doesn't realize that it's tainted.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

I think my biggest misgiving about that approach is knowing that whoever buys it is likely to flip it, but without disclosure, to a buyer who would likely be oblivious to the history.

So I would be enriching someone willing to go there, and sticking someone else with it who doesn't realize that it's tainted.

You can't control the future in any event unless you destroy the card completely. But you can control the immediate sale with a clear conscience, IMO.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You can't control the future in any event unless you destroy the card completely. But you can control the immediate sale with a clear conscience, IMO.

Yep. Just don't want some other poor collector who has saved up their hard-earned bread for many moons to get bamboozled, ultimately ending up with the same disappointment, yet at a much higher price tag.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

Yep. Just don't want some other poor collector who has saved up their hard-earned bread for many moons to get bamboozled, ultimately ending up with the same disappointment, yet at a much higher price tag.

Sell it here. That way, if we see it for sale down the road, we'll at least know who the unethical person is.

[Beercan collector]

Again has anyone tried pulling it up on PSA unless I’m doing something wrong it’s not showing up

[nwobhm]

Originally Posted by raulus

Yep. Just don't want some other poor collector who has saved up their hard-earned bread for many moons to get bamboozled, ultimately ending up with the same disappointment, yet at a much higher price tag.

Then have a little fun with it. See how far you can shove it up the backside of PSA.

Nifty little YouTube video of it being liberated, resubmitted, and denied a number grade at PSA, SGC, CGC & Beckett would be fun to watch. Get someone else to do the submissions.

Might make a few bucks back on YouTube too…. Might even get some donations for that matter.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by nwobhm

Then have a little fun with it. See how far you can shove it up the backside of PSA.

Nifty little YouTube video of it being liberated, resubmitted, and denied a number grade at PSA, SGC, CGC & Beckett would be fun to watch. Get someone else to do the submissions.

Might make a few bucks back on YouTube too…. Might even get some donations for that matter.

Quite thought provoking!

[SyrNy1960]

Originally Posted by raulus

I think my biggest misgiving about that approach is knowing that whoever buys it is likely to flip it, but without disclosure, to a buyer who would likely be oblivious to the history.

So I would be enriching someone willing to go there, and sticking someone else with it who doesn't realize that it's tainted.

Much respect for your thought process and integrity!

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Sell it, hopefully with disclosure, and replace it. Not worth the aggravation.

Why should be disclose anything? He innocently bought the POS card relying on the reputation of the TPG. They doubled down and said it was good. How far does he have to go? I am all for disclosure but what is he disclosing? This is for PSA to defend, imo. I think he did the right thing by bringing it to their attention.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Why should be disclose anything? He innocently bought the POS card relying on the reputation of the TPG. They doubled down and said it was good. How far does he have to go? I am all for disclosure but what is he disclosing? This is for PSA to defend, imo. I think he did the right thing by bringing it to their attention.

I understand that, I guess personally I would not feel comfortable selling a card I knew to be altered without laying out the facts.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I understand that, I guess personally I would not feel comfortable selling a card I knew to be altered without laying out the facts.

The whole altered card world is super frustrating to me as a consumer. I understand your pov. In truth, disclosing might not have any impact on the final price. I would think that most people who are buying high grade 50s star cards either have to know, assume or don't care that they have an altered card. Registry points are important, ya know.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

The whole altered card world is super frustrating to me as a consumer. I understand your pov. In truth, disclosing might not have any impact on the final price. I would think that most people who are buying high grade 50s star cards either have to know, assume or don't care that they have an altered card. Registry points are important, ya know.

I am sure the price would still be strong.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

I am all for disclosure but what is he disclosing?

The truth. That's it, just the truth. Actual, honest reality. Should that not be enough of a reason?

I'm sure by tomorrow morning this will be another thread where we pretend that just being honest is oh so complicated and/or difficult and/or somehow actually wrong.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by G1911

The truth. That's it, just the truth. Actual, honest reality. Should that not be enough of a reason?

Not gonna argue with that. I just went back and reread what was done to the card and it is obvious it is an altered card...nothing subjective there. So disclosure should be in order.

The best way to do that is to give it to an auction house that will write it up properly giving the card the best chance of being identified as an altered card that subsequent potential buyers can refer back to, if they wanted. If it is listed on eBay the description will not exist after 60 days.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by G1911

The truth. That's it, just the truth. Actual, honest reality. Should that not be enough of a reason?

The site needs a "BINGO!!" button.

[Peter_Spaeth]

But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved PSA.

[ullmandds]

I agree...the card should be destroyed!

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved PSA.

Is this autobiographical?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by G1911

The truth. That's it, just the truth. Actual, honest reality. Should that not be enough of a reason?

I'm sure by tomorrow morning this will be another thread where we pretend that just being honest is oh so complicated and/or difficult and/or somehow actually wrong.

Hahaha...true!

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Why should be disclose anything? He innocently bought the POS card relying on the reputation of the TPG. They doubled down and said it was good. How far does he have to go? I am all for disclosure but what is he disclosing? This is for PSA to defend, imo. I think he did the right thing by bringing it to their attention.

https://thecollectorconnection.com/b...e?itemid=20787

"To be 100% forthcoming we thought the upper right of the top border was trimmed. We submitted this at the National and when we got notice of the grade we immediately asked PSA, before we even took possession, to take another look. They stood behind their grade. Of course once it received a grade the question became "How is this only a 1.5?"

Disclosure won't necessarily hurt the end price. It's better to do it and be able to sleep at night.