2024 Classic HOF election

molenick · #1 05-05-2024, 05:35 PM

To get an idea of how hard it will be for a 19th century player to get in, here are the winners of SABR's Overlooked 19th Century Baseball Legends annual election.

Besides these players, among recent nominees are Tommy Bond, Charlie Buffinton, Lave Cross, Paul Hines, Grant “Home Run” Johnson, Dick McBride, Jim McCormick, Cal McVey, Jim Mutrie, Dickey Pearce, Lip Pike, Al Reach, Jimmy Ryan, Ben Shibe, George Stovey, Chris Von der Ahe, and George Van Haltren.

If 19th century fans are lucky, maybe two of these will be among the eight to be nominated. And there's no guarantee any of them will get on the ballot because they are competing with players from 1900-1980 and I have a feeling Luis Tiant, Dick Allen, Thurman Munson, Ken Boyer, Dave Parker, Tommy John, etc. will be more familiar than any of these players...not to mention Sherry Magee, Wes Ferrell, Stan Hack, Vern Stephens, Bob Johnson, Bobby Veach, Vada Pinson, Babe Adams, Billy Pierce, Wilbur Cooper, Bucky Walters, etc.).

And once they are on the ballot, they will need 75% of the votes.

Steve D · #2 05-06-2024, 12:53 AM

Apparently, the hall of fame has changed the committee format again.

In September of 2020, I made an excel spreadsheet for the hall of fame election schedule. It was this:

Early Baseball - 1871-1949
Golden Days - 1950 - 1969
Modern Baseball - 1970 - 1987
Today's Game - 1988 - Present

The Modern and Today's Game committees were to each meet every two years.
The Early Baseball and Golden Days committees were to meet in 2022, and then every five years.

Now, it appears they've reduced it to three committees as follows:

Classic Era - Everything before 1980 - Meets in Dec 2024
Contemporary Era (Players) - 1980 to the Present - Meets in Dec 2025
Contemporary Era (Mgrs/Execs/Umps) - 1980 to Present - Meets Dec 2026

Each of the three committees will meet every third year.

Steve

Steve D · #3 05-06-2024, 01:20 AM

I'd vote for the following:

Bill Dahlen
Jimmy Ryan
Lefty O'Doul
Dick Allen
Tommy John
Luis Tiant

Steve

Leon · #4 05-10-2024, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve D

I'd vote for the following:

Bill Dahlen
Jimmy Ryan
Lefty O'Doul
Dick Allen
Tommy John
Luis Tiant

Steve

+1...good list. Used to love Tiant's wind up.
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JollyElm · #5 05-10-2024, 05:12 PM

My most tantalizing Wiffle Ball pitch was the eponymic 'Louie,' named after Tiant, where in mid wind-up I'd fully twist my body so that my back was facing the batter...then after a short timing-interrupting hesitation, explode out of it and drop a sweeping curve right off the table from his head to the ground way off the outside of the plate.
Good times!!

jingram058 · #6 05-11-2024, 03:23 AM

So many deserving names submitted in this thread, IMO. If any of them were to actually get in, it would go a long way to restoring my faith that these selection committees truly are making the right decisions. Some of the recent year's selections would appear to be lesser deserving than some of these names. In my opinion.

G1911 · #7 05-12-2024, 01:16 PM

There are several names I would vote for and think fit to induct, but they are guys I think are the "should be in" side of the line, but only barely. The big obvious holes in this era category are still ineligible to be inducted as I understand it. Jim Creighton, Doc Adams, Ross Barnes are the people who should obviously be in but are not. Cooperstown's endorsement of a blatantly false lie about the origins of the game sure didn't help genuine research into the early days and development. Adams belongs as a pioneer, Creighton for being the one who turned the game primarily into a contest between batter and pitcher instead of batter and fielders, and Barnes was the first professional superstar who is kept out because he played in only 9 seasons of what we today consider 'major league'. While the 10 year playing cutoff makes a lot of sense for modernity, it really doesn't to the initial development of the game and to the amateur era.

I would forgive the Baines corrupt farce if they put in one of these clearly deserving candidates that nobody seems to think do not belong, but just do not care about honoring the long dead who don't have a lobbying campaign.

molenick · #8 05-06-2024, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve D

Apparently, the hall of fame has changed the committee format again.

In September of 2020, I made an excel spreadsheet for the hall of fame election schedule. It was this:

Early Baseball - 1871-1949
Golden Days - 1950 - 1969
Modern Baseball - 1970 - 1987
Today's Game - 1988 - Present

The Modern and Today's Game committees were to each meet every two years.
The Early Baseball and Golden Days committees were to meet in 2022, and then every five years.

Now, it appears they've reduced it to three committees as follows:

Classic Era - Everything before 1980 - Meets in Dec 2024
Contemporary Era (Players) - 1980 to the Present - Meets in Dec 2025
Contemporary Era (Mgrs/Execs/Umps) - 1980 to Present - Meets Dec 2026

Each of the three committees will meet every third year.

Steve

Right. At least with the previous committees, the earlier players had a chance (and occasionally one would get in). Now it will be very difficult because they are competing with a larger pool of players.

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