Kurt's Card Care

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Keys to being an effective arguer.
1. Know what you're taking about.
2. Make your points clearly and consistently.
3. Don't insult someone who disagrees with you no matter how unfounded their disagreement is, always be respectful. Explain, respectfully, why they're wrong.
4. Acknowledge when someone has raised a reasonable difference of opinion, and above all else, admit when someone makes a valid counterpoint.

This thread is just like all the rest he participates in when members have the interest to address his inconsistencies, fabrications, outlandish statements, etc etc. He gets nasty, dodges most of the rebuttals and then he vanishes, only to come back again and start again.

I now am curious what blowout's grounds were for his being banned. I am not calling for his being banned from here. I actually think he has a great deal to offer but he is never wrong. Very thin skinned and unable to be humble. If I am wrong, I want someone telling me so I can learn. Travis thinks he has all the answers to everything and he simply ends up making a fool of himself.

[G1911]

If undeniably and completely lying about people and fraud isn't enough to get one banned, I would think basically nothing short of violence is bannable lol

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by G1911

If undeniably and completely lying about people and fraud isn't enough to get one banned, I would think basically nothing short of violence is bannable lol

I would have to agree with you but he is entertaining. The fact that he holds himself out as an expert in every field and takes himself so seriously is well worth having him. Anyway, it sounds like he might have left but I doubt it. His ego is way too large to stay away for long.

And if he did leave, his exit turning it sexual was certainly a first since I have been here. I think a GFY would have sufficed, however.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

I would have to agree with you but he is entertaining. The fact that he holds himself out as an expert in every field and takes himself so seriously is well worth having him. Anyway, it sounds like he might have left but I doubt it. His ego is way too large to stay away for long.

And if he did leave, his exit turning it sexual was certainly a first since I have been here. I think a GFY would have sufficed, however.

He'll be back quickly, he just has to exit this thread because he couldn't restrain himself from going into such complete lies that he cannot possibly even try to spin it anymore.

This dude is a lot of fun for his over the top stupidity, ego and complete disassociation from the truth even outside of his agenda, but he's also a more or less open fraudster who takes over every single thread about fraud to preach it and then turn it into a series of increasingly absurd lies and egotistical rants. It's beyond ridiculous by now. Is there any point where fraudsters get booted? How far is completely lying about specific people allowed to go?

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by G1911

He'll be back quickly, he just has to exit this thread because he couldn't restrain himself from going into such complete lies that he cannot possibly even try to spin it anymore.

This dude is a lot of fun for his over the top stupidity, ego and complete disassociation from the truth even outside of his agenda, but he's also a more or less open fraudster who takes over every single thread about fraud to preach it and then turn it into a series of increasingly absurd lies and egotistical rants. It's beyond ridiculous by now. Is there any point where fraudsters get booted? How far is completely lying about specific people allowed to go?

He thinks he is edgy and controversial but your description is more fitting. Screaming for attention. He might not be back however. He might find another chat board to spend his time in any of the many areas in which he thinks he is an expert.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

If it is indeed a factory miscut, are there examples of other cards (ideally on the same row of the sheet) that exhibit the very same characteristics? Finding such examples would definitely help bolster the theory.

[jchcollins]

Oy, as Yogi would say - this thread is deja vu all over again...

My point from other threads remarkably similar to this one is that unless you (or I, or a grading company, or the FBI / CIA) can TELL after the fact that a card was indeed cleaned / spiffed-up / altered - then this whole thing is a moot point, because any professional judgement of said card will render it NOT altered, and 99.44% of potential buyers for the card will never be the wiser.

As for the rest - condemning only the act of cleaning / using KCC products in abstentia, thinking that those who engage in this stuff are bad characters - all just becomes speculation and finger pointing that leads to nowhere. Sure, they are bad people. It's "shady". Oh, can you tell which card here was altered? Me neither.

I've played around with Kurt's spray before on my own worthless PC cards just because I was curious. Does it work to an extent? Yes. Is it a magic bullet? No.

Beyond that, I still enjoy chasing and collecting cards much more than I do being a full-time cleaning technician - so the whole thing is not for me. But until PSA and others can start pointing to his altered cards with repetitive accuracy (Please. They can't even spot trimming and minsize with any type of repetitive accuracy) - the practice is going to continue and become even more widespread.