Pre War Era Players you don't see in HOF discussions

[mq711]

I’m at Arlington Cemetery a couple times a year also, where is his gravestone?

Originally Posted by theshowandme

Nice!

I visit Arlington at least one a year and made sure to find him last year

He’s buried somewhat close to HOFer Jud Wilson

[theshowandme]

Originally Posted by mq711

I’m at Arlington Cemetery a couple times a year also, where is his gravestone?

Section 42

I suggest this app to navigate the cemetery

Also, lots of ballplayers in that cemetery including one of two MLB players to be killed in WW2, Elmer Gedeon. I show off some graves here: https://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=335674

[darwinbulldog]

Urban Shocker.

In 412 career games:
187-117 career record
59.0 WAR
60th ranked pitcher in MLB history (JAWS)

There are already 84 pitchers in the Hall, but rarely any grumblings for Shocker.

[Orioles1954]

John Donaldson and Cecil Travis.

[GeoPoto]

I'm a big fan of Cecil Travis, but his HoF case is difficult. You would have to include a "cosmic constant" evaluation adjustment factor to address his time and health sacrificed to service of his country. He just didn't get to play enough to support inclusion in the HoF. While dying young may have boosted support among voters for a candidate or two, the voters have avoided players with only half a career, regardless of why they didn't play longer.

There seems to be more support now days (at least in the media) for including players with very high peak performances even if they were not able to extend their career as well as others. Koufax would be an early example of this; Joe Mauer might be an ongoing one. Cecil Travis did not have a peak as "fantastic" as Koufax, or Mauer, while he was a catcher. Travis had one-half of a HoF career, but that is it. While it is reasonable to assume that he would have kept it up if the war had not occurred, it is still just an assumption. Assumptions make tricky selection criteria.

[GaryPassamonte]

Ross Barnes.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Weyhing, Glasscock, Veach, maaaybe Deacon Phillippe.

[ejharrington]

Originally Posted by GaryPassamonte

Ross Barnes.

100 percent agree.