Pre War Era Players you don't see in HOF discussions

[ejharrington]

Ross Barnes. He should be in.

[nat]

I'll second the Barnes nomination. Unfortunately, he doesn't meet the 10 year requirement, but neither did Joss and they let him in.

Maybe outside of the spirit of the question, but how about Jim Creighton under the "pioneers" flag?

[brianp-beme]

Here's a perspective that showcases tossers in classic prewar card sets.

Old Judge: Jim McCormick

T206: Jack Quinn

Cracker Jack: Nap Rucker

E121 American Caramel: Babe Adams

1933 Goudey: Wes Ferrell (already mentioned, worth mentioning again)

1941 Play Ball: Tommy Bridges


Brian

[Brian Van Horn]

Bob and Emil Meusel as well as Bob Johnson.

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

Bob and Emil Meusel as well as Bob Johnson.

Bob was as big a part of Murderer's Row as Earle Combs, with similar stats, but Combs got in and Bob Meusel didn't. Some say because he wasn't outgoing with the writers.

[SAllen2556]

Definitely worthy of discussion for the Hall of Fame: Bobby Veach, Detroit Tigers

Swiped from online:
As the clean-up hitter on one of the strongest offensive teams of his day, Bobby Veach was one of the truly great RBI men of the late Deadball Era, easily leading the major leagues in runs driven in over the twelve years, 1913 to 1924, that he was a full time player. Veach drove in over 100 runs in a season six times, hit 30 or more doubles eight times and smacked ten or more triples ten years in a row. In all, Veach played for 14 major league seasons and hit .300 or better ten times, finishing with a lifetime .310 batting average.

Veach was also among the best defensive outfielders of his era, regularly ranking among the league leaders in putouts, range factor, and fielding percentage. Despite being one of the most productive hitters in baseball during his years in Detroit, Veach played in the shadows of three Detroit outfielders who won 16 batting titles and were inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame: Cobb in center field and Sam Crawford followed by Harry Heilmann in right field. Detroit's 1915 outfield consisting of Veach, Cobb, and Crawford has been ranked by baseball historian and statistician Bill James as the greatest outfield in history.

In the eight years from 1915 to 1922, Veach had 852 RBIs and 450 extra base hits, more than any other player. The top five in RBI during these eight years:
1 Bobby Veach – 852
2 Ty Cobb – 723
3 Babe Ruth – 635
4 George Sisler – 612
5 Tris Speaker – 585

The top five in extra base hits:
1 Bobby Veach – 450
2 Ruth – 445
3 Speaker – 444
4 Cobb – 418
5 Sisler – 402

[packs]

Probably more of a what might have been than a real discussion for the Hall, but Bug Holliday is another player lost to time.

From 1889 to 1894 Bug Holliday hit 63 home runs, just two short of Roger Connor in the same time period. However, Bug got an appendectomy in 1895 at 28 years old and was never the same after that, hitting only two more career home runs.

[SteveMitchell]

You convinced me ... now, hopefully, a Veterans Committee of the future will discover these facts. Thanks!

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

Definitely worthy of discussion for the Hall of Fame: Bobby Veach, Detroit Tigers

Swiped from online:
As the clean-up hitter on one of the strongest offensive teams of his day, Bobby Veach was one of the truly great RBI men of the late Deadball Era, easily leading the major leagues in runs driven in over the twelve years, 1913 to 1924, that he was a full time player. Veach drove in over 100 runs in a season six times, hit 30 or more doubles eight times and smacked ten or more triples ten years in a row. In all, Veach played for 14 major league seasons and hit .300 or better ten times, finishing with a lifetime .310 batting average.

Veach was also among the best defensive outfielders of his era, regularly ranking among the league leaders in putouts, range factor, and fielding percentage. Despite being one of the most productive hitters in baseball during his years in Detroit, Veach played in the shadows of three Detroit outfielders who won 16 batting titles and were inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame: Cobb in center field and Sam Crawford followed by Harry Heilmann in right field. Detroit's 1915 outfield consisting of Veach, Cobb, and Crawford has been ranked by baseball historian and statistician Bill James as the greatest outfield in history.

In the eight years from 1915 to 1922, Veach had 852 RBIs and 450 extra base hits, more than any other player. The top five in RBI during these eight years:
1 Bobby Veach – 852
2 Ty Cobb – 723
3 Babe Ruth – 635
4 George Sisler – 612
5 Tris Speaker – 585

The top five in extra base hits:
1 Bobby Veach – 450
2 Ruth – 445
3 Speaker – 444
4 Cobb – 418
5 Sisler – 402