Ohtani interpreter

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

No story will please everyone. We live in a society where the truth is never the truth and regardless of the evidence amassed people can spout whatever nonsense they want with zero evidence. I'll call it the Aaron Rodgers Effect.

There were supposedly educated Americans saying the eclipse was a government scam and Biden was manipulating it.

Case closed.

I'm stupid, but can anyone point me to this evidence proving it is nonsense to wonder how a guy can spend 26 months not noticing $325,000,000 of bets in his name? I'm betting the answer is "No".

A big part of the problem is the story keeps shifting every week and there's almost no publicly visible evidence at all.

No one is even saying he's guilty of any wrongdoing - a couple are merely asking the blatantly obvious question that would be asked of anyone else in the world.

[Snapolit1]

There is - or, well, was - a presumption of innocence in this country at one point.

Hard to believe right?

Sure he’s guilty because you have no facts either way and the story keeps shifting — in the media. The people who have been investigating it for law enforcement are going to prosecute the interpreter for massive theft

I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

Aaron Rodgers implicated Hilary Clinton today in the death of John Kennedy. There’s a story that keep changing! And I’ve seen zero evidence she’s innocent!!!!


QUOTE=G1911;2426108]I'm stupid, but can anyone point me to this evidence proving it is nonsense to wonder how a guy can spend 26 months not noticing $325,000,000 of bets in his name? I'm betting the answer is "No".

A big part of the problem is the story keeps shifting every week and there's almost no publicly visible evidence at all.

No one is even saying he's guilty of any wrongdoing - a couple are merely asking the blatantly obvious question that would be asked of anyone else in the world.[/QUOTE]

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

There is - or, well, was - a presumption of innocence in this country at one point.

Hard to believe right?

Sure he’s guilty because you have no facts either way and the story keeps shifting — in the media. The people who have been investigating it for law enforcement are going to prosecute the interpreter for massive theft

I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

Aaron Rodgers implicated Hilary Clinton today in the death of John Kennedy. There’s a story that keep changing! And I’ve seen zero evidence she’s innocent!!!!


QUOTE=G1911;2426108]I'm stupid, but can anyone point me to this evidence proving it is nonsense to wonder how a guy can spend 26 months not noticing $325,000,000 of bets in his name? I'm betting the answer is "No".

A big part of the problem is the story keeps shifting every week and there's almost no publicly visible evidence at all.

No one is even saying he's guilty of any wrongdoing - a couple are merely asking the blatantly obvious question that would be asked of anyone else in the world.

[/QUOTE]

No one has accused him of any criminal act nor a morally wrong act? He’s not guilty because I say so - I haven’t even accused him lol. Can you read? No one is saying he’s guilty of any wrongdoing. Ranting about the Clintons, Biden and Aaron Rodgers has absolutely nothing to do with anything anyone has said.

A couple of us are asking how a guy can not notice for more than 2 years $325,000,000 of bets in his name, conducted with his money from his accounts. That’s a reasonable question to ask. It is not accusing him of being guilty whatsoever. That is a huge percentage of his worth and probably more money than he even has.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Aaron Rodgers implicated Hilary Clinton today in the death of John Kennedy.

No, he did not.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Snowman

No, he did not.

Which makes the claim no less funny, or even improbable in the world we live in.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

There is - or, well, was - a presumption of innocence in this country at one point.

Hard to believe right?

Sure he’s guilty because you have no facts either way and the story keeps shifting — in the media. The people who have been investigating it for law enforcement are going to prosecute the interpreter for massive theft

I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

Aaron Rodgers implicated Hilary Clinton today in the death of John Kennedy. There’s a story that keep changing! And I’ve seen zero evidence she’s innocent!!!!

Aaron Rodgers said something about it being a weird coincidence that JFK Jr. died in a plane crash when he was running for the Senate against Hillary Clinton. He didn't say anything about her being involved in JFK's death.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by G1911

I'm stupid, but can anyone point me to this evidence proving it is nonsense to wonder how a guy can spend 26 months not noticing $325,000,000 of bets in his name? I'm betting the answer is "No".

A big part of the problem is the story keeps shifting every week and there's almost no publicly visible evidence at all.

No one is even saying he's guilty of any wrongdoing - a couple are merely asking the blatantly obvious question that would be asked of anyone else in the world.

I haven't seen anything indicating that bets were made in Ohtani's name so I'm not sure what you mean by that. I agree it's hard to believe that he wouldn't notice that so much money was missing from his account, but as someone else pointed out, it may not be that unbelievable when you have that much money and rely on others to manage your accounts for you.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by jayshum

I haven't seen anything indicating that bets were made in Ohtani's name so I'm not sure what you mean by that. I agree it's hard to believe that he wouldn't notice that so much money was missing from his account, but as someone else pointed out, it may not be that unbelievable when you have that much money and rely on others to manage your accounts for you.

I really don’t know any simpler words to use to ask how a guy can spend 26 months not noticing what so today said to be $325M of bets in his name. That does not mean he did anything wrong or is guilty of anything, it is simply the obvious question when one hears this story. These are massive sums of money for Ohtani.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by G1911

I really don’t know any simpler words to use to ask how a guy can spend 26 months not noticing what so today said to be $325M of bets in his name. That does not mean he did anything wrong or is guilty of anything, it is simply the obvious question when one hears this story. These are massive sums of money for Ohtani.

I'm not sure why you keep saying the bets were made in Ohtani's name. Everything I have read indicates that the interpreter was betting in his own name, but that the bookie knew he was getting money from Ohtani when he needed to. Apparently, when he won, the money was going into his own account so he wouldn't have always needed to pay from Ohtani's account every time he lost. I'm trying to understand how if he is charged with stealing $16 million from Ohtani but supposedly lost about $40 million net, where did the other $24 million come from?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by jayshum

I'm not sure why you keep saying the bets were made in Ohtani's name. Everything I have read indicates that the interpreter was betting in his own name, but that the bookie knew he was getting money from Ohtani when he needed to. Apparently, when he won, the money was going into his own account so he wouldn't have always needed to pay from Ohtani's account every time he lost. I'm trying to understand how if he is charged with stealing $16 million from Ohtani but supposedly lost about $40 million net, where did the other $24 million come from?

I thought Ohtani's name was used by Issei? He was allowed to place $325M of bets and a $40M loss on a $300K salary without using Ohtani's name? Back to my actual, original question today in the transcript - is that normal or plausible? To have such a gigantic gap between wealth and bets and the bookie just being okay with that?

I don't know the other $24M details - like I've said the big problem here is the story changes every single week and there is almost no publicly available actual evidence. It's a little difficult not to question things when it's a new tale every week. I have no idea what is actually true, and neither does anyone else here despite what they may claim.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by G1911

I thought Ohtani's name was used by Issei? He was allowed to place $325M of bets and a $40M loss on a $300K salary without using Ohtani's name? Back to my actual, original question today in the transcript - is that normal or plausible? To have such a gigantic gap between wealth and bets and the bookie just being okay with that?

I don't know the other $24M details - like I've said the big problem here is the story changes every single week and there is almost no publicly available actual evidence. It's a little difficult not to question things when it's a new tale every week. I have no idea what is actually true, and neither does anyone else here despite what they may claim.

The information included in the charging document released today is the most that has been made public. I read an article that had excerpts from text messages between the interpreter and the bookie, and they all seemed to indicate that it was the interpreter betting for himself and asking for additional credit, time to pay, etc. Other places have said that some of the wire transfers showed Ohtani's name so the bookie knew that money was coming from him at times which presumably is why he was willing to extend so much credit to someone making nowhere near enough to afford it.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by jayshum

The information included in the charging document released today is the most that has been made public. I read an article that had excerpts from text messages between the interpreter and the bookie, and they all seemed to indicate that it was the interpreter betting for himself and asking for additional credit, time to pay, etc. Other places have said that some of the wire transfers showed Ohtani's name so the bookie knew that money was coming from him at times which presumably is why he was willing to extend so much credit to someone making nowhere near enough to afford it.

Hence my use of "in Ohtani's name" .

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by G1911

like I've said the big problem here is the story changes every single week and there is almost no publicly available actual evidence

That's the nature of a 24 hour news cycle in a situation where there isn't a lot of "news".

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by G1911

I'm stupid, but can anyone point me to this evidence proving it is nonsense to wonder how a guy can spend 26 months not noticing $325,000,000 of bets in his name? I'm betting the answer is "No".

You are twisting the facts slightly.

Let's say I play blackjack and bet $100

Black jack

Now have $200

Bet $200

Bust

Now have $0

Total bets $300

If I had bet $20 or $50 each bet for as long as it took me to hit zero (because somebody has to pay the neon bill so that the pro gamblers can make a profit), then the total value of my bets mat have been in the thousands, all with just $100.


That number you mention as his number of bets came from a considerably smaller amount of money.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

You are twisting the facts slightly.

Let's say I play blackjack and bet $100

Black jack

Now have $200

Bet $200

Bust

Now have $0

Total bets $300

If I had bet $20 or $50 each bet for as long as it took me to hit zero (because somebody has to pay the neon bill so that the pro gamblers can make a profit), then the total value of my bets mat have been in the thousands, all with just $100.


That number you mention as his number of bets came from a considerably smaller amount of money.

Of course it did, and no one has said otherwise. I have not seen the full dataset to use (as there is almost 0 publicly facing evidence). This clearly did not come from a small sum, relative to Ohtani’s wealth, as there was $40M of debt and Ippei apparently wasn’t winning overall. We are talking about massive sums of money that must have had to move in and out over 2+ years.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Betting with a bookie 101:

You aren't putting up any money up front. Money doesn't exchange hands until after the event. Even then, with a good client, a bookie may well be willing to let things roll for a while. $325,000,000 was bet but that money didn't move back and forth ten thousand times in small increments.

When the debt load got to the point where it was making the bookie nervous he asked for his $40 million. About $16 million had been stolen. That is the "only" money that ever left Ohtani's account. The bookie never had $325 million pass through his hands.

EDIT: Betting with a bookie 101 (Or so I've heard...)

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Betting with a bookie 101:

You aren't putting up any money up front. Money doesn't exchange hands until after the event. Even then, with a good client, a bookie may well be willing to let things roll for a while. $325,000,000 was bet but that money didn't move back and forth ten thousand times in small increments.

When the debt load got to the point where it was making the bookie nervous he asked for his $40 million. About $16 million had been stolen. That is the "only" money that ever left Ohtani's account. The bookie never had $325 million pass through his hands.

EDIT: Betting with a bookie 101 (Or so I've heard...)

So to circle all the way back... Is it normal or plausible for a guy who makes $300K to even be able to rack up $40M of debt with a bookie? I do not gamble so I do not know anything about it, hence why I called it a possibly stupid question, but I would think that if one is allowing such huge sums to being gambled that one would take some steps to determine the person could actually pay the bet. Otherwise, I can't see how they would stay in business.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by G1911

So to circle all the way back... Is it normal or plausible for a guy who makes $300K to even be able to rack up $40M of debt with a bookie? I do not gamble so I do not know anything about it, hence why I called it a possibly stupid question, but I would think that if one is allowing such huge sums to being gambled that one would take some steps to determine the person could actually pay the bet. Otherwise, I can't see how they would stay in business.

I do not know the answer to your question, but I do know that most people who make $300k per year are not so closely connected to a person who makes tens of millions a year.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

I do not know the answer to your question, but I do know that most people who make $300k per year are not so closely connected to a person who makes tens of millions a year.

Yes, but the board objected to me saying it was done in Ohtani's name. I'm wondering how it can both be stated the bets were not in Ohtani's name and the interpreter was able to rack up $40M of debt on $325M of bets on a $300K salary.

[G1911]

“So Bobby loses his uncle, JFK, his father, RFK. His cousin dies in a plane crash when he was running against Hillary Clinton — I’m not saying that was a conspiracy, but it’s kind of a weird coincidence. Bobby’s in danger, he’s putting himself on the line. Why? Because he f---ing believes in this country.”

This appears to be what was actually said on the podcast. I am still at a complete loss what this has to do with anything else in the thread lol.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by G1911

“So Bobby loses his uncle, JFK, his father, RFK. His cousin dies in a plane crash when he was running against Hillary Clinton — I’m not saying that was a conspiracy, but it’s kind of a weird coincidence. Bobby’s in danger, he’s putting himself on the line. Why? Because he f---ing believes in this country.”

This appears to be what was actually said on the podcast. I am still at a complete loss what this has to do with anything else in the thread lol.

Agreed.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by G1911

Yes, but the board objected to me saying it was done in Ohtani's name. I'm wondering how it can both be stated the bets were not in Ohtani's name and the interpreter was able to rack up $40M of debt on $325M of bets on a $300K salary.

Like I think I said before, the interpreter apparently was betting in his own name, but the bookie knew he worked for Ohtani and had access to money to cover his losses. If you want to say that means the bets were in Ohtani's name, go ahead. I just don't see it that way.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by G1911

Yes, but the board objected to me saying it was done in Ohtani's name. I'm wondering how it can both be stated the bets were not in Ohtani's name and the interpreter was able to rack up $40M of debt on $325M of bets on a $300K salary.

If the bookie was assuming there was an Ohtani connection that does not mean there was.

I work for somebody you have heard of. If I need something from you, I might mention the name if I think it will help me get what I want. That doesn't mean my boss is involved on any level.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

If the bookie was assuming there was an Ohtani connection that does not mean there was.

I work for somebody you have heard of. If I need something from you, I might mention the name if I think it will help me get what I want. That doesn't mean my boss is involved on any level.

You guys got to stop leaping. No one has said Ohtani is guilty or knew he was the guarantor. Issei, however, obviously used him as the guarantee to be able to even place the bets and many acts were done in his name. If you work for Ohtani and you're placing huge bets guaranteed by him, according to you, I'm eventually going to ask to speak to your boss to validate that's actually true. Many of us are close to people worth silly money, but there is no way I could get away with making deals in such vast sums under their name without anyone asking to validate with them. Issei may well have impersonated Ohtani to the bookies and the bank too, or perhaps nobody even asked or tried to validate. It is entirely possible that Ohtani's current story and/or the version approved by the board tonight is correct and he did nothing wrong in any way whatsoever. He has still not been accused of anything.

I am saying Issei must have used his name, and question what happened here and how Ohtani and his financial advisors, who I assume exist, never noticed multiple huge transactions for many millions of dollars. The story today is pretty wild. I don't know how anyone can not wonder what happened and how this worked nor why it is so very clearly controversial to ask that here.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by G1911

So to circle all the way back... Is it normal or plausible for a guy who makes $300K to even be able to rack up $40M of debt with a bookie? I do not gamble so I do not know anything about it, hence why I called it a possibly stupid question, but I would think that if one is allowing such huge sums to being gambled that one would take some steps to determine the person could actually pay the bet. Otherwise, I can't see how they would stay in business.

there are articles out there dealing with all this including a very good one on Yahoo of all places.

The interpreter basically said "Ohtani's good for it" and would send over $500k at a time which made the claim look plausible.

He eventually actually admitted to the bookie that he was stealing. The bookie believed Ohtani was OK with it and said so, that's when the interpreter actually confessed he was stealing from Ohtani TO THE BOOKIE. The feds have this text exchange.