What changes (if any) would you like SGC to make moving forward?

[raulus]

What does AI give them that they don’t already have?

I realize it’s a fancy buzzword right now, but it’s not clear to me what they might be able to accomplish if they were somehow magically able to make it work. Would they be better at detecting fakes? Alterations? Grades that might more closely follow their published guidelines, because the math is being calculated by a machine? Maybe it speeds up the process? SGC already seems pretty zippy, but I guess they can always move faster.

Aside from sounding cool and somehow representing the future, I just don’t understand what benefits we might see as submitters.

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by raulus

What does AI give them that they don’t already have?

I realize it’s a fancy buzzword right now, but it’s not clear to me what they might be able to accomplish if they were somehow magically able to make it work. Would they be better at detecting fakes? Alterations? Grades that might more closely follow their published guidelines, because the math is being calculated by a machine? Maybe it speeds up the process? SGC already seems pretty zippy, but I guess they can always move faster.

Aside from sounding cool and somehow representing the future, I just don’t understand what benefits we might see as submitters.

Great questions, I have the same. My initial thought is using AI to identify what card is being submitted, ie, what type of card. I think a ton of research is being done to identify what type of card it is and it could help with that process.

[glchen]

1. Allow SGC cards to be added to the PSA registry.
2. Allow SGC cards to be reholdered into PSA slabs at the same grade. Before folks scream that SGC cards may not cross over at the same grade as PSA, perhaps mark the new PSA flip in a way that shows that the card was a SGC reholder, e.g., add a leading "S" to the new cert number. Also, don't allow 9.5/10's to be reholdered at the same grade, but they must go through a crossover process.

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by glchen

1. Allow SGC cards to be added to the PSA registry.
2. Allow SGC cards to be reholdered into PSA slabs at the same grade. Before folks scream that SGC cards may not cross over at the same grade as PSA, perhaps mark the new PSA flip in a way that shows that the card was a SGC reholder, e.g., add a leading "S" to the new cert number.

Funny, I was just talking about that idea to a friend yesterday. I think it would work (if CU wants to do it).

[irv]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

We are about 6 weeks in since the SGC buyout news (https://www.gosgc.com/SGC-Joins-Collectors). What changes (if any) would you like SGC to make moving forward?

I have seen the following ideas pop up here and there:

1. Adding a registry.
2. Enhancements to the SGC slab (redesign, QR code, etc)
3. When reslabbing, keeping the existing cert and not generating a new cert (this is my vote).
4. Enhancements to the SGC website/app.
5. Authenticating autographs/memorabilia.
6. More grading specials.
7. More onsite grading at shows.

And some out of the box thoughts

8. Integration into PSA's pop report and registry.
9. Use to AI to grade cards.
10. Grading changes (individual grading for corners, centering, etc.).

What say you?

I've never sent any of my cards in anywhere to get graded but had hoped to attend this month's Toronto Card Expo to have some cards graded but was disappointed to read SGC is not even going to be there this go around and PSA is drop off only.

[Leon]

The best change was already made; ownership.
.

[packs]

I don't really see a future for Ai in the hobby. Anyone who is working as a grader should be well-versed in cards as a prerequisite, and I have no doubt any member of the forum can easily identify 99 out of 100 cards without thinking about it.

I don't like the idea of relying on Ai for grading either. A machine is a machine. It will never acquire life experience and it'll be much easier to trick a machine than a live human eye of a live human well-versed in the common tactics that will exist to trick a machine.

[jimmer77]

For me just more grading specials.
Slab us fine for me not sure what good a bar code/QR code is, have never used it with any of my PSA slabs, so not sure all hoopla over that.

Registry would be ok, but again something I dabbled in with PSA and found no real value for me. Now with the App and all my cards accessible there, that's awesome for me

[ricktmd]

Originally Posted by Leon

The best change was already made; ownership.
.

I agree with Leon.

[nolemmings]

I would like some sort of means of determining the date the card was graded, by whom, and whether it was either crossed-over re-holdered. This might be done through use of a barcode reader or maybe something in the serial numbering--front or back label. No need for a grader's name necessarily--just "grader #12" or similar, but something where there is a way to discern whether a card was graded by someone who is generally tougher--also to know who may have failed to catch a fake or altered card. The date thing should really not be that controversial, IMO. Maybe not so much with the other.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Leon

The best change was already made; ownership.
.

SGC, at this point, is a separately run entity and nothing has changed at the top...or has it? Ultimately, yes Collectors owns them and has full control but it has been business as usual at this early stage.

[steve B]

Fixing the databases and including both the old numbers and the new numbers would be a start.
That would be a good lead to fixing the pop reports which were ok but are now a complete mess.

Getting into new areas of business isn't a good idea.
Using AI, even to identify stuff.... to me also a poor idea. If you're an "expert" that crutch isn't needed.

Integration with PSA can't really happen with the database so messed up.


Wishlist stuff that makes no business sense - Use auction sites that have good pictures to add info about backs/factories etc to the database if it's not already there.

[notfast]

Originally Posted by glchen

1. Allow SGC cards to be added to the PSA registry.
2. Allow SGC cards to be reholdered into PSA slabs at the same grade. Before folks scream that SGC cards may not cross over at the same grade as PSA, perhaps mark the new PSA flip in a way that shows that the card was a SGC reholder, e.g., add a leading "S" to the new cert number. Also, don't allow 9.5/10's to be reholdered at the same grade, but they must go through a crossover process.

Neither of these should ever happen.


Registry and fixing pop report should be the main focus.

[t206hof]

With SGC not including qualifiers on there slabs when warranted is enough for me. I tend to get frustrated looking for marks and the like. Not to mention paper loss and off centered cards.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by t206hof

With SGC not including qualifiers on there slabs when warranted is enough for me. I tend to get frustrated looking for marks and the like. Not to mention paper loss and off centered cards.

Qualifiers are stupid. You can’t say this card would be an eight if it wasn’t off-center. If it’s off-center, then it’s not an eight. That’s like saying my wife would be hot if she wasn’t so ugly.