1958 topps Roger maris Wrong back!

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by steve B

Is the 47 written on under the red ink? It's hard to tell from scans, but it appears to be.

I thought the same thing but I refrained from mentioning it, I have blown it up and the 47 appears printed and not drawn in to me.

[AP34]

I do not have it in hand yet, here is a zoomed in picture hopefully this helps.

It definitely looks like the “47” is under the “100”.

[Kevvyg1026]

does it appear that the 47 is under the red #100?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

does it appear that the 47 is under the red #100?

It does to me, and I also think the 47 is printed and not drawn on.

[AP34]

This just keeps getting more strange

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by AP34

This just keeps getting more strange

You wouldn’t happen to have a black light, would you? It would be interesting to put a black light on the 47/100 once you get it.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

You wouldn’t happen to have a black light, would you? It would be interesting to put a black light on the 47/100 once you get it.

A halogen light works great with black ink. It is kinda like colored ink with a black light. Usually added black ink will have a greyish look instead of black like real printers ink.

[JollyElm]

Gotta play Devil's advocate here.

Although the "47" seems to be under the "100" at first glance, I dare say it's probably an optical illusion. A magic marker written on top of the red ink would look like that, because the red ink is a bit 'slippery' (for lack of a better word) and the black wouldn't fully cover it. Another thing, if the black was truly under the red, why does the black show through it? That wouldn't happen so easily to a red so bold and thick. Plus, the "47" exhibits the typical 'bleeding' of magic marker writing on non-glossy cardboard.

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[Zach Wheat]

Either way, it is a very cool card

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Gotta play Devil's advocate here.

Although the "47" seems to be under the "100" on first glance, I dare say it's probably an optical illusion. A magic marker written on top of the red ink would look like that, because the red ink is a bit 'slippery' (for lack of a better word) and the black wouldn't fully cover it. Another thing, if the black was truly under the red, why does the black show through it? That wouldn't happen so easily to a red so bold and thick. Plus, the "47" exhibits the typical 'bleeding' of magic marker writing on non-glossy cardboard.

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Yeah, I think you’re right, it’s just a magic marker number someone applied later on. I also still believe it is a well cut Salesman Sample card, I can’t think of any other explanation for a fourth column Maris front to have a tenth column Wynn back.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Gotta play Devil's advocate here.

Although the "47" seems to be under the "100" at first glance, I dare say it's probably an optical illusion. A magic marker written on top of the red ink would look like that, because the red ink is a bit 'slippery' (for lack of a better word) and the black wouldn't fully cover it. Another thing, if the black was truly under the red, why does the black show through it? That wouldn't happen so easily to a red so bold and thick. Plus, the "47" exhibits the typical 'bleeding' of magic marker writing on non-glossy cardboard.

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All that is why I asked, it's much easier to tell in hand. Some stuff is more visible in scans, what ink is on top of what other ink isn't.

The only thing I don't really agree with is that black under red wouldn't show through. Topps often used inks that weren't all that opaque.
The the typical order is to have black ink last Because it readily covers other colors. Here you can see off to the left how some covered red shows through the black. If they were reversed, we would see that too. (find a 1981 fleer star sticker that's light blue, and you'll see what I mean. All of mine have the light blue over the black.)

It's almost certainly marker, but looked a little odd.