1991 Topps variations

[Rich Klein]

Just a reminder that I do my best to add variations I can figure out (not just in 1991 Topps) to the COMC Data Base. You can either

1) Send Correction Requests to get variations in

2) DM me here. I know Dylan does DM me at times and we have conversations as appropriate

Rich

[Pat R]

Here's a Jesse Orosco variation from an early box that came before the hand-drawn 5 in the 1984 strikeouts.

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[ALR-bishop]

Fascinating stuff in this thread about what is now a 30 + year old set. At the same time I have been following the research of another member on the printing processes and oddities of the 70 year old 52 set. Am enjoying watching both efforts. I have to think the Topps people that put these sets would be amazed at the deep dives into stuff they likely viewed as very basic get the product out the door process

[saucywombat]

Noticed that some players have an essentially identical dark spot or hashmark on the the "4" in the the "40 Years of Baseball" Logo. Most players have a corrected version but some do not. Most with corrected versions are equally divided in quantity between mark and corrected versions.

An interesting aspect is that all of the players are on either the Tigers, Braves or Cardinals.

772 - Kent Mercker (Braves)
743 - Bryn Smith (Cardinals)
742 - Tommy Gregg (Braves)
693 - Francisco Cabrera (Braves)
684- Milt Cuyler (Tigers)
632 - Lloyd Moseby (Tigers)
566 - Craig Wilson (Cardinals)
533 - Odibe McDowell (Braves)
519 - Sparky Anderson (Tigers)
498 - Mark Salas (Tigers)
492 - Ernie Whitt (Braves)
383 - Pete Smith (Braves)
351 - Joe Torre (Cardinals)
185 - Joe Magrane (Cardinals)
160 - Vince Coleman (Cardinals)
88 - Bob Tewksbury (Cardinals)
75 - Jack Morris (Tigers)
41 - Ken Dayley (Cardinals)

Curious if any "corrected" versions come only from factory sets. Or if some were never corrected?

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by saucywombat

Noticed that some players have an essentially identical dark spot or hashmark on the the "4" in the the "40 Years of Baseball" Logo. Most players have a corrected version but some do not. Most with corrected versions are equally divided in quantity between mark and corrected versions.

An interesting aspect is that all of the players are on either the Tigers, Braves or Cardinals.

772 - Kent Mercker (Braves)
743 - Bryn Smith (Cardinals)
742 - Tommy Gregg (Braves)
693 - Francisco Cabrera (Braves)
684- Milt Cuyler (Tigers)
632 - Lloyd Moseby (Tigers)
566 - Craig Wilson (Cardinals)
533 - Odibe McDowell (Braves)
519 - Sparky Anderson (Tigers)
498 - Mark Salas (Tigers)
492 - Ernie Whitt (Braves)
383 - Pete Smith (Braves)
351 - Joe Torre (Cardinals)
185 - Joe Magrane (Cardinals)
160 - Vince Coleman (Cardinals)
88 - Bob Tewksbury (Cardinals)
75 - Jack Morris (Tigers)
41 - Ken Dayley (Cardinals)

Curious if any "corrected" versions come only from factory sets. Or if some were never corrected?

Hi Dave, in my experience what you are calling the "corrected" versions are only found on no glow backs

[saucywombat]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Hi Dave, in my experience what you are calling the "corrected" versions are only found on no glow backs

I'll have to check it out if I find time to go bank into the moster box 1991 Topps archives.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by saucywombat

I'll have to check it out if I find time to go bank into the moster box 1991 Topps archives.

If there are any without the mark found on a glow back they would have to be quite scarce. I checked all of my 91 Topps and here's what I have.

#75 Jack Morris - 32 total 10 without the mark all with no glow backs
#88 Bob Tewksbury - 27 total 12 no mark all no glow
#185 Joe Magrane - 27 total 12 no mark all no glow
#351 Joe Torre - 30 total 11 no mark all no glow
#383 Pete Smith - 33 total 5 no mark all no glow
#498 Mark Salas - 26 total 6 no mark all no glow
#533 Oddibe McDowell - 23 total 6 no mark all no glow
#566 Craig Wilson - 25 total 7 no mark all no glow
#684 Milt Cuyler - 23 total 3 no mark all no glow
#725 Ron Gant - 37 total 16 no mark all no glow
#743 Bryn Smith - 27 total 13 no mark all no glow

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by saucywombat

Noticed that some players have an essentially identical dark spot or hashmark on the the "4" in the the "40 Years of Baseball" Logo. Most players have a corrected version but some do not. Most with corrected versions are equally divided in quantity between mark and corrected versions.

An interesting aspect is that all of the players are on either the Tigers, Braves or Cardinals.

772 - Kent Mercker (Braves)
743 - Bryn Smith (Cardinals)
742 - Tommy Gregg (Braves)
693 - Francisco Cabrera (Braves)
684- Milt Cuyler (Tigers)
632 - Lloyd Moseby (Tigers)
566 - Craig Wilson (Cardinals)
533 - Odibe McDowell (Braves)
519 - Sparky Anderson (Tigers)
498 - Mark Salas (Tigers)
492 - Ernie Whitt (Braves)
383 - Pete Smith (Braves)
351 - Joe Torre (Cardinals)
185 - Joe Magrane (Cardinals)
160 - Vince Coleman (Cardinals)
88 - Bob Tewksbury (Cardinals)
75 - Jack Morris (Tigers)
41 - Ken Dayley (Cardinals)

Curious if any "corrected" versions come only from factory sets. Or if some were never corrected?

You can add #725 Ron Gant to the list. Also I can confirm that the following cards exist both with and without the Mark.

#743 - Bryn Smith
#725 - Ron Gant
#684 - Milt Cuyler
#566 - Craig Wilson
#533 - Odibe McDowell
#498 - Mark Salas
#383 Pete Smith
#351 - Joe Torre
#185 - Joe Magrane
#88 - Bob Tewkesbury
#75 - Jack Morris

I also have #693 Francisco Cabrera and #519 Sparky Anderson with very faint marks

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by saucywombat

Noticed that some players have an essentially identical dark spot or hashmark on the the "4" in the the "40 Years of Baseball" Logo. Most players have a corrected version but some do not. Most with corrected versions are equally divided in quantity between mark and corrected versions.

An interesting aspect is that all of the players are on either the Tigers, Braves or Cardinals.

772 - Kent Mercker (Braves)
743 - Bryn Smith (Cardinals)
742 - Tommy Gregg (Braves)
693 - Francisco Cabrera (Braves)
684- Milt Cuyler (Tigers)
632 - Lloyd Moseby (Tigers)
566 - Craig Wilson (Cardinals)
533 - Odibe McDowell (Braves)
519 - Sparky Anderson (Tigers)
498 - Mark Salas (Tigers)
492 - Ernie Whitt (Braves)
383 - Pete Smith (Braves)
351 - Joe Torre (Cardinals)
185 - Joe Magrane (Cardinals)
160 - Vince Coleman (Cardinals)
88 - Bob Tewksbury (Cardinals)
75 - Jack Morris (Tigers)
41 - Ken Dayley (Cardinals)

Curious if any "corrected" versions come only from factory sets. Or if some were never corrected?

There's a group of cards similar to this group that has a mark over the Y in years in the 40th logo banner.

There are seven players that have this mark on all of their cards in the base set.
91 topps Glavine with mark over 40th banner.jpg
This is the list of players that have the mark

#26 Luis Sojo
#82 Tom Glavine
#267 Mark Knudson
#328 Walt Terrell
#365 Mike Schooler
#544 Alejandro Pena
#571 Pat Combs

one oddity in the group is #544 Pena. All of the other cards have the mark on their Desert Shield and Tiffany cards but Pena only has it on his Desert shield card the mark is not on his Tiffany card.




As far as I know it's only these seven subjects that have it on all of their cards. A similar mark can occasionally be found on some random players but it's only found on a small % and not all of their cards have it.

Here's a Marvell Wynne that has the mark on a few of his cards

91 Topps Wynne with mark over 40th banner.jpg