Could Caitlyn Clark compete with D1 men?

[Beercan collector]

Originally Posted by bk400

Almost on cue....See below.

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LOL - They won $1000
Looking at the picture it appears to be eight or nine dudes

[steve B]

In cycling a couple world records have been held by women, not in a division, but outright.

Beryl Burton - in 1967, she set a new 12-hour time trial record of 277.25 miles– a mark that surpassed the men's record of the time by 0.73 miles and was not superseded by a man until 1969. While setting the record, she caught and passed Mike McNamara who was on his way to setting the men's record at 276.52 miles and winning that year's men's British Best All-Rounder. She is reputed to have given him a liquorice allsort as she passed him.

The current motorpaced record is held by a woman who also just helped set a new record in a streamlined bike. (several, mostly womens, but fastest 4 wheeler ever. ) all womens team, and oh yeah, they're all sort of old.

https://www.teamsprocketrocket.com/

[rand1com]

I would take her over many D1 men.

Could she defend? Not very well. Plenty of men cannot defend.

Could she consistently score? Absolutely, from long range at that. Plenty of men cannot consistently score.

Clearly, if size and strength are the only attributes you consider important to basketball ability, she could not play against men.

But, I bet on a lower level D1 men's team she would consistently score in double figures and she would beat many of them one on one.

I don't particularly like her and the fact that she played 50 more games than Pete Maravich to overtake his scoring record clearly proves who the actual all time collegiate scorer is.

However, to claim that she could not make a D1 men's team at the lower echelon of the classification if she wanted to is a joke. She would not be a super star but she could contribute off the bench.

If nothing else, her 88% free throw % would make her the designated technical foul shooter on almost every team in D1.

[packs]

Bobbi Gibb unofficially ran the 1966 Boston marathon. She was not officially entered into the race because the organizers thought women were too fragile to run it.

She completed the race with a time that was better than two thirds of the people running it.

There also seems to be a fallacy in the discussion of women in sports. I think the bar is being set unreasonably high for what is considered competing. A woman does not need to be Lebron James to be considered competitive. Lebron James is better than 99% of all players who have ever played basketball professionally in any capacity. All a woman needs to do to compete is be good enough to wear a jersey. I don't see anyone suggesting someone like Brian Scalabrine isn't a competitive basketball player.

To go back to the example given of a woman giving up 12 runs in two Major League innings, that would be considered an immortal moment for women in the sport, not a failure. How many men have similar debuts? Larry Yount got hurt warming up and didn't even throw a pitch, but he still appeared in a Major League game. Was he not a competitive pitcher?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by packs

To go back to the example given of a woman giving up 12 runs in two Major League innings, that would be considered an immortal moment for women in the sport, not a failure. How many men have similar debuts? Larry Yount got hurt warming up and didn't even throw a pitch, but he still appeared in a Major League game. Was he not a competitive pitcher?

I mean if we’re going to adopt the lunacy that giving up 6 runs an inning is competitive and a success for a pitcher, sure. Of course everyone will see a 54 ERA as a successful outing. There’s been so many male pitchers with 54 ERA’s that we consider competitive. It’s competitive to get annihilated. Down is up. Left is right. Arguments like this are when you know there’s no real case just a desire for their to be one

[packs]

Originally Posted by G1911

I mean if we’re going to adopt the lunacy that giving up 6 runs an inning is competitive and a success for a pitcher, sure. Of course everyone will see a 54 ERA as a successful outing. There’s been so many male pitchers with 54 ERA’s that we consider competitive. It’s competitive to get annihilated. Down is up. Left is right. Arguments like this are when you know there’s no real case just a desire for their to be one

Haha what does that mean exactly? That reaching the major leagues is not a measurement of success in the sport?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by packs

Haha what does that mean exactly? That reaching the major leagues is not a measurement of success in the sport?

Not when it is a publicity stunt for someone that really does not deserve to be there.

[packs]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Not when it is a publicity stunt for someone that really does not deserve to be there.

Isn't that assuming a lot? I merely said if a women made an appearance in the major leagues it would be a major moment regardless of performance.

And the counter argument was that unless you dominate your start it's meaningless. But we all know that's not true. How many stories are there every so often of the career minor leaguer who finally gets an at bat or makes an appearance? It's the pinnacle of success in the sport.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by packs

Haha what does that mean exactly? That reaching the major leagues is not a measurement of success in the sport?

I am saying, while shocked it needs further clarification and even needed to be said in the first place, that a pitcher with a 54 ERA is not competitive by any rational definition. Obviously. Making it as a publicity stunt and then getting shelled would not be a success for the narrative, women, the league, or anyone else.

The league and the media would absolutely love having a new diversity first to promote. The only reason not to bring a woman in is because they are not actually going to be competitive and it will be embarrassing. There’s a reason it hasn’t happened.

[packs]

Originally Posted by G1911

I am saying, while shocked it needs further clarification and even needed to be said in the first place, that a pitcher with a 54 ERA is not competitive by any rational definition. Obviously. Making it as a publicity stunt and then getting shelled would not be a success for the narrative, women, the league, or anyone else.

The league and the media would absolutely love having a new diversity first to promote. The only reason not to bring a woman in is because they are not actually going to be competitive and it will be embarrassing. There’s a reason it hasn’t happened.

You are inventing a scenario where a woman is a publicity stunt.

You also contending that reaching the major leagues isn't an accomplishment unless you dominate in some way. Progressing through the minor leagues and playing in a major league game is a major accomplishment for anyone regardless of performance.

[gunboat82]

Originally Posted by rand1com

Could she consistently score? Absolutely, from long range at that. Plenty of men cannot consistently score.

I'm still curious to see what kinds of adjustments she'd require to go from using a women's ball to a men's ball.

Anecdotally, I tried to shoot a women's/youth 9-11 ball in college, and my shot was all over the place. Even with slight differences in circumference and weight, I might as well have been going from a softball to a baseball.