What will Collectors Holdings do with SGC?

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Leon

I predict SGC will lose market share in the future.
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I think you're right, barring significant investments from Collectors at least.

I think CGC is well positioned to capitalize on the opportunity too, if so. Both strategically and geographically. While they're not exactly neighbors, both CGC and SGC being in Florida will surely result in at least a few disgruntled SGC graders changing teams. And once word starts to spread about SGC graders now grading vintage cards at CGC, it's only a matter of time until the market follows them as well.

[hcv123]

The potential market share that SGC will lose short term is more about the fear and discomfort many are feeling right now. If in fact, they show over the coming months that SGC is running independently/business as usual, I believe they will get it back and with a few of the right moves (bringing back an SGC registry at the top of the list) have a huge opportunity to gain market share.

Problem with CGC is they currently get little price respect in the marketplace (speaking specifically in vintage cards 1970's and earlier). Walk a show floor and see how many CGC cards you see offered next to the cases filled with SGC and PSA cards. I know even with no SGC, I wouldn't currently send a vintage card to CGC.

[Yoda]

One idea might be to keep SGC as the grader for all prewar and vintage - 1948 to 1960 - and PSA for everything else. A new registry would have to reflect this division but at least SGC could continue, even on a lesser basis, and PSA would enjoy 2 streams of income.

[switcher7]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Yoda

One idea might be to keep SGC as the grader for all prewar and vintage - 1948 to 1960 - and PSA for everything else. A new registry would have to reflect this division but at least SGC could continue, even on a lesser basis, and PSA would enjoy 2 streams of income.

I can't imagine they would go to all that trouble. The registry isn't broke, it continues to be a major driver of PSA. Why on earth would they dilute it and revamp it to keep a small niche brand going? Respectfully I think some of you guys think SGC is a much more important part of the hobby than it is. 2 streams of income begs the question.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by hcv123

The potential market share that SGC will lose short term is more about the fear and discomfort many are feeling right now. If in fact, they show over the coming months that SGC is running independently/business as usual, I believe they will get it back and with a few of the right moves (bringing back an SGC registry at the top of the list) have a huge opportunity to gain market share.

Problem with CGC is they currently get little price respect in the marketplace (speaking specifically in vintage cards 1970's and earlier). Walk a show floor and see how many CGC cards you see offered next to the cases filled with SGC and PSA cards. I know even with no SGC, I wouldn't currently send a vintage card to CGC.

If SGC disappears, and PSA refuses grade your cards (or continues to put NM-MT cards into 5 holders), and if half the grading team from SGC moved over to CGC, would you still refuse to send them cards?

For me personally, there's a good reason that SGC gets a significant chunk of my grading business. If they were to close up shop, I would be looking for other options besides PSA.

Also, I just hate the way PSA grades cards. They care way too much about corners and far too little about centering.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Snowman

If SGC disappears, and PSA refuses grade your cards (or continues to put NM-MT cards into 5 holders), and if half the grading team from SGC moved over to CGC, would you still refuse to send them cards?

For me personally, there's a good reason that SGC gets a significant chunk of my grading business. If they were to close up shop, I would be looking for other options besides PSA.

Also, I just hate the way PSA grades cards. They care way too much about corners and far too little about centering.

I suspect Howard's objections are less about the quality of the service provided, and more about the current market's relative reticence to pay top dollar for cards in a CGC holder.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by hcv123

Problem with CGC is they currently get little price respect in the marketplace (speaking specifically in vintage cards 1970's and earlier). Walk a show floor and see how many CGC cards you see offered next to the cases filled with SGC and PSA cards. I know even with no SGC, I wouldn't currently send a vintage card to CGC.

I would differ with that general statement. The market for vintage baseball is very different than the market for vintage boxing, F1 or nonsport. I've had good results selling CGC boxing cards, for example.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I would differ with that general statement. The market for vintage baseball is very different than the market for vintage boxing, F1 or nonsport. I've had good results selling CGC boxing cards, for example.

I expect CGC ends up being the big winner if/when Collectors starts messing with SGC (unless it’s a good messing, like registry and cleaning up pop reports).