Collectors (PSA) Acquired SGC

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

IMO they went to random certs and a new numbering system to try to avoid the tracing BODA was doing by PSA consecutive cert numbers. Same time they took down the guarantee which was the G in SGC. Funny, Peter Steinberg told me on the phone they were just reviewing the language and it would be back up in a matter of days. That was years ago.

Agree it’s a way to protect the base....sneaky dealers and resellers

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Agree it’s a way to protect the base....sneaky dealers and resellers

Here in the "enclave," though, nobody seems to care.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Here in the "enclave," though, nobody seems to care.

The FBI didn't find anything sooooo...

I will stick my head back in the sand. (As soon as I get it away from pwcc's behiind)

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

The FBI didn't find anything sooooo...

I will stick my head back in the sand. (As soon as I get it away from pwcc's behiind)

They found plenty. They had all the evidence anyone could ever ask for to determine that cards had indeed been doctored and resold. They simply decided not to charge anyone for it (as I loudly predicted would be the case).

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Snowman

They found plenty. They had all the evidence anyone could ever ask for to determine that cards had indeed been doctored and resold. They simply decided not to charge anyone for it (as I loudly predicted would be the case).

If a crime is committed but not charged, did it really happen?

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by raulus

If a crime is committed but not charged, did it really happen?

EXACTLY! Why would they even be looking if everything was on the up and up.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

EXACTLY! Why would they even be looking if everything was on the up and up.

This cuts both ways though. If, as Peter proposes, all this evidence that they were gathering wouldn't be admissible, then why would they even bother to gather it in the first place?

I think what happened is that like many of the lawyers on this board and over at Blowout, there are people at the FBI (likely collectors themselves), who see this activity in the same light as Peter (not to pick on him, but he's been vocal about his views on the matter, so I'm just using him as an example). Clearly, there is no shortage of people who see doctoring cards as fraudulent behavior. I think the lead investigator likely did (and still does) as well. I just think he and many others were blindsided by the fact that the rest of the world doesn't see it that way. I think it got to a place where a judge gave him a serious reality check after he/she began asking questions like, "so these cards, they're not counterfeit?", and "so you're saying that someone bought baseball cards, improved their appearance, then sent them off to a professional grading company to get their opinion on the cards' current conditions, and then resold those cards?"

I think the case was laughed out of court. I think the investigators got a serious reality check. And I also think it may have had something to do with why he seemingly out of the blue took an early retirement. He wasted a LOT of money trying a case that never had a chance to begin with.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

They found plenty. They had all the evidence anyone could ever ask for to determine that cards had indeed been doctored and resold. They simply decided not to charge anyone for it (as I loudly predicted would be the case).

There is a huge difference between evidence and admissible evidence. Particularly when the critical cooperating witness apparently decided not to cooperate.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

There is a huge difference between evidence and admissible evidence. Particularly when the critical cooperating witness apparently decided not to cooperate.

Oh stop with the facts already! ZZZZZZ Besides they mess up all of Snowman's posts.