CGC Cards Article on E104-1 Swift's Variety Shop

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

I agree, CGC has demonstrated time and again that they are more than willing to put in the time and independent research needed to identify the more obscure issues and variations. I cannot say the same thing for PSA, SGC or Beckett these days. Things might have been different in the past but we are now in the present.

This is definitely the Andy Broome factor because he did that too at Beckett. I have found SGC to be very reasonable in being willing to research obscurities too. PSA is not the least bit flexible to the average submitter.

Anyway, count me in as someone who likes what CSG is and has been doing.

[ullmandds]

csg was only co. willing to grade this.

[calvindog]

Pete, can I see a scan of it graded? I have one raw and I’d like to get it put into a holder.

[ullmandds]

Not to hijack this thread, or turn it into an advertisement, but I think it's too late for that.

I think it has always been ridiculous. That companies like PSA and SGC have refused to grade certain issues for whatever reasons they choose like these examples shown they're obviously real cards. All I want is an authentic and a slab. I was very happy with the whole experience with CSG from start to finish which only took a few weeks maybe a year and a half ago..

[calvindog]

What’s with those defunct flips, Pete?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by calvindog

What’s with those defunct flips, Pete?

Whatchutalkinboutwillis?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Whatchutalkinboutwillis?

From the CGC website....

Posted on 6/20/2023

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[Leon]

As was mentioned in the article, the 2 different flips for the different Swift's backs went above and beyond!
I think the Variety Shop ones will be a bit more valuable to me and the other guy that cares.

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

This is definitely the Andy Broome factor because he did that too at Beckett. I have found SGC to be very reasonable in being willing to research obscurities too. PSA is not the least bit flexible to the average submitter.

Anyway, count me in as someone who likes what CSG is and has been doing.

[ValKehl]

A few months ago, I sent my W551 of WaJo with it's WOOL'S AMERICAN-MAID BREAD back, which I acquired 25-30 years ago, to SGC to be slabbed. Much to my disappointment (actually, I'm pissed!), SGC did not note Wool's Bread on the flip. When I inquired as to why not, the SGC rep merely told me that SGC is no longer doing this. Mind you, several months earlier I had asked a SGC rep if SGC would note this on the flip, as there are several Wool's Bread cards in the SGC pop report and I happen to have a Wally Pipp example in my collection, and he responded that he couldn't see any reason why SGC wouldn't. I'm now wondering if I were to send WaJo to CGC if I would have the same success Leon has had with his Swift's cards.

[Leon]

They will grade them, Val. Andy and I had the back stamp discussion very recently, concerning the E104s.

And they won't put "hand cut" on flips where, the specific cards aren't hand cut, and the whole hobby has known forever that the series isn't hand cut (unless trimmed).. W503, W575-1 etc...
Whomever is still making those errors needs to quit their foolishness.

Originally Posted by ValKehl

A few months ago, I sent my W551 of WaJo with it's WOOL'S AMERICAN-MAID BREAD back, which I acquired 25-30 years ago, to SGC to be slabbed. Much to my disappointment (actually, I'm pissed!), SGC did not note Wool's Bread on the flip. When I inquired as to why not, the SGC rep merely told me that SGC is no longer doing this. Mind you, several months earlier I had asked a SGC rep if SGC would note this on the flip, as there are several Wool's Bread cards in the SGC pop report and I happen to have a Wally Pipp example in my collection, and he responded that he couldn't see any reason why SGC wouldn't. I'm now wondering if I were to send WaJo to CGC if I would have the same success Leon has had with his Swift's cards.

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

A few months ago, I sent my W551 of WaJo with it's WOOL'S AMERICAN-MAID BREAD back, which I acquired 25-30 years ago, to SGC to be slabbed. Much to my disappointment (actually, I'm pissed!), SGC did not note Wool's Bread on the flip. When I inquired as to why not, the SGC rep merely told me that SGC is no longer doing this. Mind you, several months earlier I had asked a SGC rep if SGC would note this on the flip, as there are several Wool's Bread cards in the SGC pop report and I happen to have a Wally Pipp example in my collection, and he responded that he couldn't see any reason why SGC wouldn't. I'm now wondering if I were to send WaJo to CGC if I would have the same success Leon has had with his Swift's cards.

Leon's response, in part, to my post was: "They will grade them, Val. Andy and I had the back stamp discussion very recently, concerning the E104s."

Further to my effort to get a TPG to note "Wool's Bread" on their flip, on March 9th, I sent an inquiry to CGC via their online inquiry form, which does not allow one to include pics. On March 12th, CGC Customer Service responded via email, "Unfortunately, this is not a designation we would add to the label." I quickly responded, expressing my disappointment and sending pics of the my two Wool's Bread cards, and also I said "What makes this CGC response so puzzling to me is that recently CGC graded a couple/few E104-1 cards with the Swift/Swift's back stamp AND NOTED THIS ON THE LABELS!" Today, CGC Customer Service responded as follows: "Thanks for your patience. I have reviewed this with our head grading team. After further discussion I am happy to confirm we would designate this "Wool's Bread" on the label." MANY KUDOS TO CGC, and thanks, Leon, for encouraging me to contact CGC.

[Jobu]

Does anyone know what the inner sleeve material is? I looks like maybe it is mylar - which is something I have been wishing graders would do for a long time over the regular cheap plastic they use. It would be even better if it was sealed to protect against off-gassing from the other plastics in the holders, but even if it isn't sealed, it will be a good start.

(Yes I checked their site and no I didn't find specifics: https://www.cgccards.com/card-grading/holder-label/)

[brianp-beme]

I do expect CGC to exact swift attribution (retribution?), or at least send me some of those inner sleeves for originally tracking down the Swift Variety Store info used in their article, info that I posted in the original thread about these cards shortly after they sold on Ebay. Reposted here for posteriors like me.


11-27-2023, 03:12 PM
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Here is a 1911 pharmacy trade publication article in THE SPATULA about Swift's Variety Store that I found while I googled all over my keyboard.

swift's.jpg

Note that the street address on the full store name stamp is slightly different...242 W. 23rd St. versus 244 W. 23rd St. Sounds like at some point around this time frame that "This quaint store" moved next door.


Brian (wearing a different style of inner sleeve underneath my shirt as I type this parenthetical line)

[Pato15]

Are the cards with the Swift's stamp known with both fronts? Or just the World Champions?

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Leon's response, in part, to my post was: "They will grade them, Val. Andy and I had the back stamp discussion very recently, concerning the E104s."

Further to my effort to get a TPG to note "Wool's Bread" on their flip, on March 9th, I sent an inquiry to CGC via their online inquiry form, which does not allow one to include pics. On March 12th, CGC Customer Service responded via email, "Unfortunately, this is not a designation we would add to the label." I quickly responded, expressing my disappointment and sending pics of the my two Wool's Bread cards, and also I said "What makes this CGC response so puzzling to me is that recently CGC graded a couple/few E104-1 cards with the Swift/Swift's back stamp AND NOTED THIS ON THE LABELS!" Today, CGC Customer Service responded as follows: "Thanks for your patience. I have reviewed this with our head grading team. After further discussion I am happy to confirm we would designate this "Wool's Bread" on the label." MANY KUDOS TO CGC, and thanks, Leon, for encouraging me to contact CGC.

Great news! I have one to submit somewhere and now I know where to send it.

[gabrinus]

Those cards with the full address are cool...Jerry

[Aaron Seefeldt]

Couldn’t they be d359 Swift’s?