Collectors (PSA) Acquired SGC

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't completely agree. If the brand is discontinued, reputable or not, the value of a discontinued slab is going to be diminished particularly if people are having bad or mixed experiences crossing over as I expect will be the case. 1-1.5 grades lower is bad enough, min size or AUTH is an earthquake.

Subpar cards yes stuff like Rochkiss has doesn't matter no need to even wanna cross. Even though going forward you prob won't be able to get your cards into PSA holders people with heavy hitters in SGC slabs like Ryan can keep as is with no diminish upside. Sub par sgc cards in old slabs I agree with you they could go down.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Subpar cards yes stuff like Rochkiss has doesn't matter no need to even wanna cross. Even though going forward you prob won't be able to get your cards into PSA holders people with heavy hitters in SGC slabs like Ryan can keep as is with no diminish upside. Sub par sgc cards in old slabs I agree with you they could go down.

Perhaps but the vast majority of us don't have material like Ryan of course. My immediate concern are things like midgrade Goudey Ruths, T206 HOFers, etc. Nice problem to have, I get it, but still losing 1-1.5 grades or conceivably worse would suck.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Perhaps but the vast majority of us don't have material like Ryan of course. My immediate concern are things like midgrade Goudey Ruths, T206 HOFers, etc. Nice problem to have, I get it, but still losing 1-1.5 grades or conceivably worse would suck.

Yes….I could see that happening.….people with the cards you mentioned will try to cross now if they're concerned or want to hedge.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Yes….I could see that happening.….people with the cards you mentioned will try to cross now if they're concerned or want to hedge.

Or sell.

[Svabinsky78]

SGC has built a great reputation for vintage. I don't think that the purchase of SGC by Collectors in any way diminishes that reputation. You still have a card in a reputable slab. I don't really see a reason why a vintage card in an SGC slabs going forward should be worth considerably less because the company was bought out.

As for CGC/CSG, I use them mainly for modernish cards. I dislike the sleeve they use for smaller sizes vintage but for standard sized cards, I think they are a terrific alternative to PSA, solid grading and lovely slabs. Yes, resale value is nowhere near PSA but I am not a flipper, so I don't really care.

[Fred]

There is so much stuff graded by SGC. This isn't like GAI because collectors/hobbyist/investors understood the difference between older graded GAI cards and the later graded GAI cards. In my opinion, that's why cards in a GAI slab sells at a discount when compared to PSA and SGC.

If PSA were to shutter SGC, then most collectors/hobbyist/investors understand that SGC cards are probably on par with PSA when the actual grade is concerned, however, it seems that SGC slabbed cards get the same or a little less than PSA cards. Bottom line, it's the appeal of the card to the buyer that's going to dictate the final price in a sale (not auction).

I'd be surprised if PSA were to merge/add the SGC population to the PSA registry.

In the end, who gives a crap? It's all the same because nothing really changes when considering the apathetic attitude taken with regard to all the TPGs inability to be consistent in assessing pieces of cardboard.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Eventually the market is going to devalue defunct slabs IMO, reputable or not. And the assumption will be the owner wasn't able to cross the card, or knew it would not cross, as the assumption now is for GAI. Which it turn will devalue SGC slabs further. This will take time, but I think it's the future. No good comes of this, in the end. For the man on the street, anyhow.

[conor912]

I agree that nothing is safe now. Grading standards are now fluid. Just because your card is slabbed a 3 doesn’t mean it will be a 3 in X years. Twenty year old slabs are already getting the, “That’s an old slab and would never grade that today” treatment.