T206 Players with 3 or more cards in the set

[MVSNYC]

Jamie, I think you hit the nail on the head. They were strong/polular players circa 1909-1911 (warranting 3+ poses), then either petered-out, declined, got injured, died (maybe I'm exaggerating), or got thrown out of the game. We know, for instance, Hal Chase would've very likely been a HOFer, but gamblers got to him first.

Cool thread, I'll try to post a few cards later tonight.

[Fred]

Are most of those players on specific teams? For example, NY Giants?

[Rhotchkiss]

If They made a T206 set for baseball players in 1990, Doc Gooden would have many examples. Not a hall of famer. Not all of the great players during the years 1907-1910 (likely the time period a player's merits were considered for the T206 set) ended up having HOF careers (or they were amazing players but also bad dudes, like Hal Chase).

I do find it interesting those players with 4 examples. I understand Cobb , and of course Tinker was bigtime around them, but McGraw and not Matty, Young, or Lajoie?

[puckpaul]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

If They made a T206 set for baseball players in 1990, Doc Gooden would have many examples. Not a hall of famer. Not all of the great players during the years 1907-1910 (likely the time period a player's merits were considered for the T206 set) ended up having HOF careers (or they were amazing players but also bad dudes, like Hal Chase).

I do find it interesting those players with 4 examples. I understand Cobb , and of course Tinker was bigtime around them, but McGraw and not Matty, Young, or Lajoie?

McGraw had a big personality and was hugely popular, it seems. I picked up two charms the booster clubs of Giants fans made for him to celebrate their success, in 1904 (pictured) and in 1908. They were in the Sothebys Halper auction. (Sorry about the size of the pictures…I no longer seem to be able to choose the size of my image file to control it, something changed a few months ago with iphone?). The charm is gold and diamonds, about 2 inches in diameter and heavy.

[bobbvc]

Curious about the Camnitz (Howie). I have seen some checklists with the third Camnitz card listed as his brother Harry. I have a Pirates team collage with both of their head shots on the 1909 team. Harry was a bit player for sure but does anyone here know if all three t206 poses are indeed Howie or did Harry sneak in a pose? Thanks.

[insidethewrapper]

Of the 38 HOF'ers in the set :

3 have 4 cards ( Cobb, McGraw and Tinker ).
10 have 3 cards
9 have 2 cards
16 have 1 only card.

Complete HOF T 206 contains 38 HOF'ers with a total of 76 cards.

Hal Chase, not in the Hall , has 5 cards !

[Kidnapped18]

I have a Piedmont Donlin
Star player and WS Champion but alcohol and acting took him away from the game

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by bobbvc

Curious about the Camnitz (Howie). I have seen some checklists with the third Camnitz card listed as his brother Harry. I have a Pirates team collage with both of their head shots on the 1909 team. Harry was a bit player for sure but does anyone here know if all three t206 poses are indeed Howie or did Harry sneak in a pose? Thanks.

“Howie” Camnitz was born in Covington, Kentucky, and his brother Harry was also a baseball pitcher — some say there is evidence that one of the three T206 Camnitz poses is attributable to Harry, perhaps the hand at side pose, but I am not convinced — Harry only pitched a grand total of 6 innings over 3 games, one in 1909 and two in 1912.

Camnitz earned three appearances in the T206 set for his deadball era dominant pitching. In his first full season with the Pirates in 1907, Howie had a 13–8 record with a 2.15 ERA in 180 innings, including a five-inning no-hitter against the New York Giants on August 23. The next year, he went 16–9 with a 1.56 ERA and 15 complete games in 19 starts.

With an excellent curveball, Howie collected three 20-win seasons for the Pittsburgh Pirates from 1909 to 1912, leading his team to the 1909 World Series after winning 25 games in the regular season and tying Christy Mathewson for the National League lead winning percentage (.806). The Pirates won the World Series that year, though Howie pitched poorly in two outings. The Series is best remembered for the amazing play by the two best players at the time, Honus Wagner and Ty Cobb.

Howie pitched at least 240 innings for seven consecutive years (1908–14) with a career-high 283 innings in 1909, winning 20 games in 1911 and 22 in 1912.

[Blunder19]

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Fred

Are most of those players on specific teams? For example, NY Giants?

Six of the thirteen non-HOFs are Giants. I think that's a big part of the explanation, ATC was putting in more players from their biggest market. And two of the other players are NY Highlanders (Yankees).

[Pat R]

Jamie, at the very least I would put an asterisk next to Frank Smith since his Chicago and Chicago & Boston cards are the exact same image and the only difference is the caption team change. Also if you credit Smith with three cards you would need to include Elberfeld and Kleinow.

[Blunder19]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Jamie, at the very least I would put an asterisk next to Frank Smith since his Chicago and Chicago & Boston cards are the exact same image and the only difference is the caption team change. Also if you credit Smith with three cards you would need to include Elberfeld and Kleinow.

Good call Pat. I removed frank smith because his 3rd card was just a variation. Elberfeld, frank smith, Kleinow, and Magee are all excluded from this list of players with 3 cards.

[Rhotchkiss]

Looking at the list, almost all of the players with 3 cards played for teams in New York or Chicago, the country’s two largest cities. Followed by players from Pittsburgh and Detroit, large cities and two of the best teams of the era.

I think it’s all about advertising and appealing to your customers - more customers in those cities and customers want popular players. Thus, it was likely a combo of prowess, popularity, and domicile/size of city-market.

[drumback]

That Uzit Mullin has amazing color on the front. A beautiful card on both sides!