Every slabbed card has a story, don't it?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

I think the market is just ignorant of the issue. Most collectors don't know who BODA is or what is in the Tiffany database. Doesn't mean they don't care. They just assume PSA is watching over everything.

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

I didn't know who Gary Moser was until I joined Net54. You don't need to be current on hobby news to buy a card on ebay. I think you may be overestimating the overall knowledge of card collectors.

P.S. I wouldn't call registry set buyers "investors". They are mostly in it for the competition and the bravado. From a money standpoint, you would be better off selling to registry builders than becoming one yourself.

I think a fair question, though, Al, is if they did know would they care? It seems from the number of people who do know but don't care, the answer unfortunately may be no.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think a fair question, though, Al, is if they did know would they care? It seems from the number of people who do know but don't care, the answer unfortunately may be no.

You can do an experiment. Put a card up on ebay and call it "professionally restored" and see how much it sells for.

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[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

You can do an experiment. Put a card up on ebay and call it "professionally restored" and see how much it sells for.

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Put that relatively in the fine print, and have the card still be in a PSA 8 slab. See how much it sells for.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

Put that relatively in the fine print, and have the card still be in a PSA 8 slab. See how much it sells for.

How about a PSA 8 that has an obvious crease and is a counterfeit card? I sold one with full disclosure. I showed a close up pic of the obvious crease and told the buyer I 100% believed the card to be counterfeit. Buyer only cared it was in a PSA 8 slab.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by bnorth

How about a PSA 8 that has an obvious crease and is a counterfeit card? I sold one with full disclosure. I showed a close up pic of the obvious crease and told the buyer I 100% believed the card to be counterfeit. Buyer only cared it was in a PSA 8 slab.

Exactly. Most even that do look at "the card and not the slab" are going to place the emphasis there - and not in the description.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by bnorth

How about a PSA 8 that has an obvious crease and is a counterfeit card? I sold one with full disclosure. I showed a close up pic of the obvious crease and told the buyer I 100% believed the card to be counterfeit. Buyer only cared it was in a PSA 8 slab.

Ben, you're kidding, right? Can you disclose the card? Wow!

[raulus]

Originally Posted by bnorth

How about a PSA 8 that has an obvious crease and is a counterfeit card? I sold one with full disclosure. I showed a close up pic of the obvious crease and told the buyer I 100% believed the card to be counterfeit. Buyer only cared it was in a PSA 8 slab.

If you’re selling that card on eBay (which was the original premise proposed here), then I’m not sure how it gets through the authenticity guarantee program.

Not that they’re going to re-grade it. But it seems like if it’s an obvious fake, then they would catch the reseal.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by raulus

If you’re selling that card on eBay (which was the original premise proposed here), then I’m not sure how it gets through the authenticity guarantee program.

Not that they’re going to re-grade it. But it seems like if it’s an obvious fake, then they would catch the reseal.

Maybe, maybe not. I would suspect that even PSA is looking first and foremost for an authentic flip, whether or not it's theirs or someone else's. I've sent ebay orders out to Santa Ana for authentication, and again (as is the trend with authentication and grading currently) the pace at which they move suggests they are spending hardly any time on each item. The purpose of course is to catch it, yes - but just saying I wouldn't be surprised if things are able to slip through.

[jchcollins]

Same discussion we are having here on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkQyI_9VbRo&t=3127s