W575-1 Anonymous Cards (Not Hand Cut, Not Strip Cards)

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Leon

How many strips have you seen?

I do not remember any strips, nor have I really been looking. Certain of these W575-1 cards fall into a pattern of parallel, machine cut side borders and uneven top/borders, that is, in my opinion, consistent with them being from a vertical strip.

You had a great find with your W575-1 cards...they pretty much confirm that some (or many) W575-1 cards did not come in strip form.

Brian

[Touch'EmAll]

Great info on W575-1 vs. W501 Type 2, thank you, and very interesting. Both being obscure and super low pops is anything but disappointing. It's just really cool to own such a rare item. So should I just let it be as is encapsulated by SGC ? Or would there be any advantage (or disadvantage) to having SGC take another look at the card ?

[Brian Van Horn]

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[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by Touch'EmAll

Great info on W575-1 vs. W501 Type 2, thank you, and very interesting. Both being obscure and super low pops is anything but disappointing. It's just really cool to own such a rare item. So should I just let it be as is encapsulated by SGC ? Or would there be any advantage (or disadvantage) to having SGC take another look at the card ?

If I were in your shoes and felt that my W575-1 was actually a W501-2, I wouldn't send it back to SGC without first speaking with someone at SGC's research dept. who claims to be familiar with the W575 and W501 issues (I don't know if this is even possible). If you get to speak with such a SGC rep and this rep seems genuinely interested in what you are explaining to him, then it might be worth sending the card to SGC for a second look. My guess is that SGC doesn't really care, but then again I'm not a fan of any of the TPGs when it comes to their abilities and desires to properly ID cards from obscure pre-War sets. And, before contacting SGC, I would contact Rhett Yeakley (his contact info is found in the "Vintage Links" section (see top of every page) and ask him if he has ever attempted to get any of the TPGs to recognize the W501-2 cards, and if so, what sort of response he received. If you do have a go at this, I wish you complete success.

[Leon]

The reason you haven't seen them is because they were never issued in strips, alas, not hand cut. When they are all wavy, they are trimmed. Not hand cut! And anyone that puts hand cut on their flips is just wrong. It's not a gray area... These number grades are total BS too...

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

I do not remember any strips, nor have I really been looking. Certain of these W575-1 cards fall into a pattern of parallel, machine cut side borders and uneven top/borders, that is, in my opinion, consistent with them being from a vertical strip.

You had a great find with your W575-1 cards...they pretty much confirm that some (or many) W575-1 cards did not come in strip form.

Brian

[ghostmarcelle]

A favorite from my collection

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by ghostmarcelle

A favorite from my collection

Great card. The Henry Johnson stamped cards (as well as the Service Candy Co. stamped cards) that I have seen appear to be machine cut, just like Leon's examples.

Once again, I am not negating the fact that these cards were issued in this format, just indicating my belief that some of the cards that have been traditionally lumped into the W575-1 classification (including the W501-2 that Rhett was the first to identify) were not offered as individual cards.

Just as it is incorrect for the grading companies to automatically identify all 'W575-1' cards as hand cut, in my opinion it is also incorrect to classify all cards that have traditionally been classified as W575-1 to be machine cut.


Brian

[Leon]

I agree for the most part (not that it really matters)

Since we have almost never seen sheets or strips of W575-1, I will continue to believe they were not hand cut when distributed, until I see any other evidence.

"Just the facts ma'am" Sgt. Joe Friday

It's a great conversation. It's always ok to agree to disagree too.

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Great card. The Henry Johnson stamped cards (as well as the Service Candy Co. stamped cards) that I have seen appear to be machine cut, just like Leon's examples.

Once again, I am not negating the fact that these cards were issued in this format, just indicating my belief that some of the cards that have been traditionally lumped into the W575-1 classification (including the W501-2 that Rhett was the first to identify) were not offered as individual cards.

Just as it is incorrect for the grading companies to automatically identify all 'W575-1' cards as hand cut, in my opinion it is also incorrect to classify all cards that have traditionally been classified as W575-1 to be machine cut.


Brian

[theshowandme]

W575-1 or W501-2, who knows, but it's a great card

[Leon]

The bottom edge says W501....

Originally Posted by theshowandme

W575-1 or W501-2, who knows, but it's a great card

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

W575-1 or W501-2, who knows, but it's a great card

Don, I agree with Leon. I'm 99.9% sure that your super nice Sisler card is a W501-2. Hopefully, you will have it in your display at the upcoming Net54 get together in No. VA.

I also agree with Leon in that I believe that all "true" W575-1 cards are machine cut on all 4 sides. And, I believe that W501-1 and W501-2 cards are all machine cut on both the right and left sides, but that either the top side or the bottom side or both are hand cut. Hence, I believe W501-1 and W501-2 cards were issued in vertical strips, but I suspect the strips were short because a good percentage of those that I've seen appeared to have a machine-cut top or bottom.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by Leon

I agree for the most part (not that it really matters)

Since we have almost never seen sheets or strips of W575-1, I will continue to believe they were not hand cut when distributed, until I see any other evidence.

"Just the facts ma'am" Sgt. Joe Friday

It's a great conversation. It's always ok to agree to disagree too.

Here's the uncut sheet / store display:

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...a/7057-80038.s

I also have a beater partial sheet of this.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by glchen

Here's the uncut sheet / store display:

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...a/7057-80038.s

I also have a beater partial sheet of this.

And from Rhett:

Those are all 1921 parallel to E121 Series of 80 subjects or are from that era of the print run (likely from the same vintage collection I’d imagine) so they would not be W501-2…as the W501 series is a parallel set to the E121 Series of 120 set in 1922.

They were probably cut from a poster/sheet due to crazy bottom cuts. We know of a few sheets that exist…no idea if they were sold this way or if that was an advertising poster to sell the cards.


Thanks Glen and Rhett...I now remember seeing that sheet before. Because of the sheet possibility, I might just be leaning toward the Leon way of thinking, but I still think I have some others from the 'E121 Series of 80' parallel group that just have bad cuts on top and/or bottom, but straight sides. My next post, whenever I get to it, will post some of these (if I indeed have any).

Brian