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Old 01-23-2024, 02:04 PM
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I don't see how the ~season gap in catcher games is a huge factor.

Counter to that is Mauer playing 1st base for another gap was a lot more valuable than Posey sitting at home. Mauer played another 500 games in his career, providing diminished value during that stretch but still value. A little over league bat for 500 games is a lot better than doing nothing at all.

C games > 1st base games

1st base games > not playing.
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Old 01-23-2024, 02:23 PM
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ERA

Billy Wagner, 2.31
Trevor Hoffman, 2.87

WAR

Trevor Hoffman, 28
Billy Wagner, 27.7

ERA+

Billy Wagner, 187
Trevor Hoffman, 141


WHIP

Billy Wagner, 0.998
Trevor Hoffman, 1.058

Saves
Trevor Hoffman, 601
Billy Wagner, 422

It’s hard to have one without the other, and I question if Hoffman was better than Wagner, just a matter of getting more saves.

Absolutely, Wagner should be in, and playoffs shouldn’t negate that.
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Old 01-23-2024, 04:38 PM
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A slew of 1994 Wagner rookies got posted on Ebay after his 9th snub. Ha.
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Congrats to Adrian Beltre, Joe Mauer, and Todd Helton.

Beltré's 95.1% is the highest-ever for a Dominican-born player, topping the 92.89% from Vladimir Guerrero in 2018. George Brett will remain the leader for the highest vote percentage ever by a third baseman at 98.19%.

Mauer becomes just the third catcher ever to be elected as a first-ballot Hall of Famer after earning 76.1% of the vote. Previously, only Johnny Bench and Ivan Rodríguez made it through on their first chance. Bench's 96.42% of the vote remains the standard at the position.

Billy Wagner's attempt to become just the ninth Hall of Fame reliever fell just short. He finished with 73.8%, or five votes shy of induction. Gary Sheffield, meanwhile, received 63.9% of the vote in his 10th and final year on the ballot.

Carlos Beltran saw the biggest jump--going from 45.6% to 57.1%. Sheffield went to 63.9% from 55%, Andrew Jones went up ~3%, and most players saw little change, with ARod KRod Pettitte and Vizquel actually going down a bit.
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Helton got in with more room to spare than expected while Mauer made it by 4 votes and Wagner missed by 5 votes with 1 more year on the ballot.
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Baseball Hall of Fame Announces 2024 Hall of Fame Voting Results
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Old 01-23-2024, 05:11 PM
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Old 01-23-2024, 07:17 PM
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The Hall of What ??? I wear my yankee hat out and about and anytime in the past 2 weeks anybody mentioned Baseball I asked them if they knew who Joe Mauer was. I was 1 for 18 with 17 responding ...who? So they have gone from the Hall of Fame to the Hall of Who?....How did he get in? ...
Shoeless Joe and Pete Rose are banned and cannot be voted in. Everyone understands that. I understand that. I will never understand How Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and Arod are not in a place called the Baseball Hall of Fame. And By the way all 18 knew who Barry Bonds , Roger Clemens and Alex Rodriguez are.
And Andy Pettite won 256 games 60% winning percentage won over 100 more games than lost. Was 19 and 11 in postseason pithing 276 innings. Andy has Five world Series Rings All 3 of 2024's Hall of Fame class have zero...rings combined. And Only 13.5% of Baseball writers voting listed Andy....Chase Utley got 28% of voters voting for him... lol I no longer vist the Hall of fame. I do not support the Hall of Fame in any way. Simply because the sign on the front door is a lie. It is not the Baseball hall of Fame.
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