HOF Election - and the Elephant in the Room:

[Seven]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think Sosa and Palmeiro will only get in on a very cold day in hell. I don't see anyone making their case.

I think Palmeiro would've had a better chance had he not openly lied and pointed at congress, that he didn't do steroids only for him to ping a positive test a few days later. Felt like a scene out of Curb Your Enthusiasm.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Personally, I'm against any of the 'cheaters' getting in...putting them on the same level of honor as someone like Hank Aaron is just WRONG.

Remember, it's an honor, not a right.

If they ever get in, it should be posthumously...or at least after I'M DEAD!


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Originally Posted by Seven

I've said this before, and I'll say it again, I totally understand where you're coming from, and I respect that opinion. I fully agree, it should be an honor, and not a right.

To be frank, however, the sanctity of the Hall has long since been violated in my opinion. Cheaters are already in, cheaters will continue to get in, long after we are all gone.

But, this is how standards get eroded, one negative step at a time...viewing past errors as acceptable.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

But, this is how standards get eroded, one negative step at a time...viewing past errors as acceptable.

I'm not viewing the past errors as acceptable, I'm speaking about the way the situation is.

We can argue whether or not they are deserved candidates until the cows come home. The problem is, is that nothing will change what has already happened and will continue to happen. The point I'm making is that I wouldn't surprise me in 30-40 years if all these players who took PED's end up making it to Cooperstown.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Seven

I'm not viewing the past errors as acceptable, I'm speaking about the way the situation is.

We can argue whether or not they are deserved candidates until the cows come home. The problem is, is that nothing will change what has already happened and will continue to happen. The point I'm making is that I wouldn't surprise me in 30-40 years if all these players who took PED's end up making it to Cooperstown.

It already is full of PED users and cheaters. No need to wait.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by bnorth

It already is full of PED users and cheaters. No need to wait.

I was speaking to Bonds, Rodriguez, Clemens, etc.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Seven

I was speaking to Bonds, Rodriguez, Clemens, etc.

I get keeping A-Rod out. I don't get keeping Clemens and Bonds 2 out.

[SyrNy1960]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I get keeping A-Rod out. I don't get keeping Clemens and Bonds 2 out.

Bonds use resulted in him taking the All-Time Career Home Run Record away from Hank Aaron. And also the All-Time Single Season Home Run Record. For me, Bonds is a no-no! But as I’ve always said, once you let one in, let all in.