Probstein video about trimmed cards

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by G1911

Your long stated position that if PSA lets it by the card doesn’t bear evidence of trimming and thus it isn’t trimmed ins by meaningful sense because they missed it sophistry of the first order. You just go with whatever setup excuses fraud.

The analogy is a material fact being dishonestly presented. Change it to any exact setup you would like.

You still don't get it. PSA makes no such claim about whether a card has indeed been trimmed or not. They only make claims about whether or not a card bears evidence of trimming. You do understand the difference, right?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Snowman

You still don't get it. PSA makes no such claim about whether a card has indeed been trimmed or not. They only make claims about whether or not a card bears evidence of trimming. You do understand the difference, right?

They grade trimmed cards as altered. The number grade means they don’t believe it to be trimmed, allegedly. They sell an opinion, NOTHING WHATSOEVER do they say is 100% true or false, for ass covering reasons. That they get fooled or are complicit does not make it not fraud.

[perezfan]

This headache-inducing thread has made me thankful that I shifted my focus towards memorabilia. Still love vintage cards, but the 3rd Party Opinion Givers have ruined it for me. That, and peoples' unwavering allegiance to the flip instead of the card itself.

A blatantly altered card (trimmed with nefarious intentions, to quintuple its price) is ushered through with a high number grade, while a completely original card that spent some time in a screw-down holder receives a grade of "A".

What's wrong with this picture?

[rhettyeakley]

PSA and other grading companies not being able to catch (or seem to care too much about) trimming or those that are doing it is PURE NEGLIGENCE.

Sellers and Auction Houses that deal with the people that are known to do so is PURE NEGLIGENCE.

The fact that we put up with people that are complicit (or as evidenced in this thread) or are apologists for this behavior is simply gross.

Just because you can sneak something by a grader doesn't excuse that it is still a really s***ty thing to do.

People that condone it or try to justify it as anything else are equally gross.

We should be way more upset about these things than we seem to be.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

PSA and other grading companies not being able to catch (or seem to care too much about) trimming or those that are doing it is PURE NEGLIGENCE.

Sellers and Auction Houses that deal with the people that are known to do so is PURE NEGLIGENCE.

The fact that we put up with people that are complicit (or as evidenced in this thread) or are apologists for this behavior is simply gross.

Just because you can sneak something by a grader doesn't excuse that it is still a really s***ty thing to do.

People that condone it or try to justify it as anything else are equally gross.

We should be way more upset about these things than we seem to be.

I've been quite clear about the fact that slicing up cards for profit is a sh**y thing to do. I'm merely pointing out the reality of the situation. And the reality is that most people don't care as long as a card passes grading, and that there are millions of trimmed cards that are completely undetectable even by the best and most experienced graders. What the consequences of those facts are, and seemingly even the mere acceptance of them as fact, is what is up for debate.