1862 Beaver Wyk Albumen Photo

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Great job, Justin! I love this type of research. Fun, isn't it?

I don't know about you guys, but my initial reaction was a huge cringe to that kid's handiwork. He obviously used one of those twin-tipped red and blue pencil crayons that were popular for many years and can still be found in antique stores on occasion.

Is there any means of removing it? I doubt it.

[Leon]

First of all, hats off to Justin. Great job and very appreciated. Maybe more will come out but regardless that is fantastic.

With regards to the kids coloring work? To me, it adds to the piece. Black and white (or aged tan etc..) is a little boring.

The coloring is like folk art. I really like it, and all things being equal, would pay at least a little more for one with this type of coloring, than without. But it is all very subjective. The old "beauty in they eye of the beholder" thing.

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

Great job, Justin! I love this type of research. Fun, isn't it?

I don't know about you guys, but my initial reaction was a huge cringe to that kid's handiwork. He obviously used one of those twin-tipped red and blue pencil crayons that were popular for many years and can still be found in antique stores on occasion.

Is there any means of removing it? I doubt it.

[bgar3]

The coloring provides the uniform colors which otherwise may not have been known. Of course, this assumes they were not added much later and were a guess. The only thing I wish was not added is the writing on the bib. As for Vail’s they were definitely from the Albany area and the Pioneers book even has a reference to another Vail providing the grounds for games for better known teams.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

Great job, Justin! I love this type of research. Fun, isn't it?

I don't know about you guys, but my initial reaction was a huge cringe to that kid's handiwork. He obviously used one of those twin-tipped red and blue pencil crayons that were popular for many years and can still be found in antique stores on occasion.

Is there any means of removing it? I doubt it.

+1 agree love the research and love the history

[prestigecollectibles]

I found this 1865 census from Riverhead in Suffolk County, NY with a Henry T. Vail listed at age 19.

[dbrown]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

I don't know about you guys, but my initial reaction was a huge cringe to that kid's handiwork. He obviously used one of those twin-tipped red and blue pencil crayons that were popular for many years and can still be found in antique stores on occasion.

The coloring looks like it could be period, 1860s. There's lots of examples of very crude hand-coloring, especially on paper prints, especially by amateurs. (The daguerreotype colorists were much better!)

for example:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1448496...de-visite-hand

But if it smells and feels like crayon, it's crayon.

[Leon]

The photo came in. It's on paper stock like the page, with the die cut picture, was in an album before. You can see the albumen in the photo under magnification... My 2nd oldest baseball item. Very happy to add it to my eclectic collection... btw, it's not crayon

Originally Posted by dbrown

The coloring looks like it could be period, 1860s. There's lots of examples of very crude hand-coloring, especially on paper prints, especially by amateurs. (The daguerreotype colorists were much better!)

for example:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1448496...de-visite-hand

But if it smells and feels like crayon, it's crayon.

[Leon]

I asked the seller if he had any info on the photo, from his consignor. This is what he said -

"Not much else for information. It was kind of an odd situation that someone took some albumen photographs and glued them into some album pages with alot of law school students and New York City politicians and nothing at all baseball or fireman related for some reason. The people that had it last didn't know anything about it and just wanted to get rid of pages. Someone over time put all the pages in plastic sleeves. I did just remember that the album did have a dedication page that read- Thomas W. Cantwell Autograph Book 705 Broadway N.Y. January 1862. Hope this helps..Chuck"

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[BeanTown]

Very nice item Leon and congrats.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

Very nice item Leon and congrats.

Thanks...It's a very esoteric item, but I really like it, and it goes well in my collection of misfits!
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