???PSA 60's Special???? - Grades popped!! The eagle has landed!

[Tyruscobb]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

The grades have popped...and the way PSA does it, is NOT user friendly for a spreadsheet anymore. I tried to do the best I could, so my apologies. If you want to be surprised, DO NOT click this link!!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?pli=1#gid=0

Bobby,

We appreciate these piggyback submission groups, and all the work you do. May your wildest grades come true. Happy New Year!

[Snowman]

I'll be curious to see the grades vs expectations for this submission. After a pretty long streak of terrible vintage grades, I finally got a bulk vintage PSA order back this week with accurate grades.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I'll be curious to see the grades vs expectations for this submission. After a pretty long streak of terrible vintage grades, I finally got a bulk vintage PSA order back this week with accurate grades.

I thought I did OK....everything looked accurate to me. Maybe others can chime in?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I'll be curious to see the grades vs expectations for this submission. After a pretty long streak of terrible vintage grades, I finally got a bulk vintage PSA order back this week with accurate grades.

Given that long streak, why are you still submitting to PSA, if I may?

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Given that long streak, why are you still submitting to PSA, if I may?

I have definitely started sending a lot of the stuff I used to send to PSA over to SGC now. But for certain cards, it's still worth the gamble at PSA. Sometimes you get a fair grader there. It's a roll of the dice. I use my own grading probability distributions to decide where to send what.

With all the noise from vintage collectors screaming from the rooftops at PSA regarding harsh grades of vintage, you'd have to assume at some point they actually start listening to their customers and hold a grading realignment meeting with the grading team. Especially when those complaints are coming from long time seasoned hobby vets who know what they're talking about. Perhaps that has recently happened? It's still too early to tell, but my most recent submission and this submission both being accurate is at least a sign of hope.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I have definitely started sending a lot of the stuff I used to send to PSA over to SGC now. But for certain cards, it's still worth the gamble at PSA. Sometimes you get a fair grader there. It's a roll of the dice. I use my own grading probability distributions to decide where to send what.

With all the noise from vintage collectors screaming from the rooftops at PSA regarding harsh grades of vintage, you'd have to assume at some point they actually start listening to their customers and hold a grading realignment meeting with the grading team. Especially when those complaints are coming from long time seasoned hobby vets who know what they're talking about. Perhaps that has recently happened? It's still too early to tell, but my most recent submission and this submission both being accurate is at least a sign of hope.

There are a lot of things I like about SGC. The prices they bring versus PSA is not one of them.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

There are a lot of things I like about SGC. The prices they bring versus PSA is not one of them.

Snowman posted several examples of how the exact same card actually brings more in a SGC slab.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Snowman posted several examples of how the exact same card actually brings more in a SGC slab.

The data scientist cherry-picked his data...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I have definitely started sending a lot of the stuff I used to send to PSA over to SGC now. But for certain cards, it's still worth the gamble at PSA. Sometimes you get a fair grader there. It's a roll of the dice. I use my own grading probability distributions to decide where to send what.

With all the noise from vintage collectors screaming from the rooftops at PSA regarding harsh grades of vintage, you'd have to assume at some point they actually start listening to their customers and hold a grading realignment meeting with the grading team. Especially when those complaints are coming from long time seasoned hobby vets who know what they're talking about. Perhaps that has recently happened? It's still too early to tell, but my most recent submission and this submission both being accurate is at least a sign of hope.

i hope that happens. I have hundreds of cards I haven't sent in because it's just not worth it in a harsh, punishing grading environment, but would like to grade them someday if there is hope for accuracy.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

i hope that happens. I have hundreds of cards I haven't sent in because it's just not worth it in a harsh, punishing grading environment, but would like to grade them someday if there is hope for accuracy.

I know that some people who have been grading since the start claim that PSA goes in cycles, oscillating back and forth between harsher grades and softer grades. This hasn't been my observation, but it seems plausible. I've been waiting for a correction for years now. We'll know soon enough if it's actually here or if it's still business as usual though. That data will come in pretty quickly.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I know that some people who have been grading since the start claim that PSA goes in cycles, oscillating back and forth between harsher grades and softer grades. This hasn't been my observation, but it seems plausible. I've been waiting for a correction for years now. We'll know soon enough if it's actually here or if it's still business as usual though. That data will come in pretty quickly.

I have a few hundred cards out at any given time. Unfortunately I haven't noticed a pattern, but if I start to see something I'll share.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

Bobby,

We appreciate these piggyback submission groups, and all the work you do. May your wildest grades come true. Happy New Year!

Brent...I didn't see you on this one??? That's odd, eh?

[cubman1941]

I am happy with mine!!

[NonSportDaniel]

Very happy with four of the grades, disappointed in two. Not saying they didn't grade accurately, they probably did, just was hoping for one grade better on one of my submissions and two grades higher on another (which I knew was going to be a reach). Still, encouraging overall and will continue to wait for a special that includes R non-sports as I have a ton of that to grade.

[eusmawh]

Thanks Bobby for doing this. Very happy with all of my grades. Actually a little better than I expected.

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by eusmawh

Thanks Bobby for doing this. Very happy with all of my grades. Actually a little better than I expected.

.. I have not read a post in this vein concerning vintage cards sent to PSA Grading and returned , for a long time. Perhaps all the new kids in The Joe O Memorial Basement have learned a bit ?

..Happy for your circumstance with the cards,. !!

..

[Tyruscobb]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Brent...I didn't see you on this one??? That's odd, eh?

Yeah, I missed the boat on this one. I was vacationing when you announced it. I’ll be back, though, assuming you’ll have me.