Hey, pennant guys

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by brad15

Hello all. I have had this pennant since 1972 when my grandmother died. It was part of the sports collection my grandpa acquired before he died in 1939. He attended world series games in 1926, 1930 and 1931 in St. Louis. I assume this pennant is from one of those years. On the back spine of the pennant is an embroidered label that says Baldwin Regalia Company, ST. Louis MO. I joined this forum while I was trying to research the pennant which led me to Mike Egner and his vintage pennant price guide. After talking to him, I sent him pics of the pennant and he included it in the 2nd vintage price guide. This pennant is on page 207 if you have a copy. My question is, has anyone here seen another copy of this pennant or any pennant made by the Baldwin Regalia Co.? I have been following this thread all these years and have not seen another one show up here. This pennant left me a clue that there are more out there somewhere. Thanks! Brad

Terrific story. Amazing what's out there!

[ooo-ribay]

Very cool, Brad! If you’ve been following this thread, you’ll know our resident researcher is Kyle aka Domer. We’re all “pennant guys”, but Kyle is the go to for the old stuff. Hopefully, he will weigh in. If not Kyle, there are other very knowledgeable guys who regularly contribute to this thread. Can you post a picture of the tag? Also, what does your pennant measure? I’m looking forward to learning more!

[brad15]

Thanks' Hank and Rob. I have read every post on this thread from the beginning. Thank you Rob for starting it. Looks like its every ones favorite thread. A friend of mine made the frame for this pennant and he included at least 50 screws to hold the back on. I'm not ready to take it apart again. I did send Mike Egner a pic of the label before I framed it but, I did not save it. The pennant measures 34 inches long and the spine is 15 inches. I really hope to see if there are any more out there. If not, I would like to see others post pics of their vintage Cardinal pennants. Thanks again, Brad

[UKCardGuy]

That's great pennants Brad.

I found a couple of listings for pennants made by the same company

https://robertedwardauctions.com/auc...g-ebbets-field

https://www.huntauctions.com/online/...=440&lot_qual=

It looks like the company still exists. https://regaliamfg.com/

I wonder if they maintain any sort of company history?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by brad15

Thanks' Hank and Rob. I have read every post on this thread from the beginning. Thank you Rob for starting it. Looks like its every ones favorite thread. A friend of mine made the frame for this pennant and he included at least 50 screws to hold the back on. I'm not ready to take it apart again. I did send Mike Egner a pic of the label before I framed it but, I did not save it. The pennant measures 34 inches long and the spine is 15 inches. I really hope to see if there are any more out there. If not, I would like to see others post pics of their vintage Cardinal pennants. Thanks again, Brad

That’s an amazing pennant. What’s truly amazing is, with this surely being the only known example and no evidence of sales, the price guide threw up a value of … $250-350! What? Sample of size 0. … I can only guess that this pennant would fetch anywhere between $1500 and $5000 in auction, maybe more. Cardinals have some aggressive collectors and there just aren’t many super old oversized Cards pennants out there.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

That’s an amazing pennant. What’s truly amazing is, with this surely being the only known example and no evidence of sales, the price guide threw up a value of … $250-350! What? Sample of size 0. … I can only guess that this pennant would fetch anywhere between $1500 and $5000 in auction, maybe more. Cardinals have some aggressive collectors and there just aren’t many super old oversized Cards pennants out there.

Completely agree!

[ooo-ribay]

VERY happy to add this to my collection! Bocca of course saw it, too, and he was gracious enough to let me go for it. It was a long seven days waiting for the auction to end. I increased my max bid four times! It was another long nine days waiting for it to arrive, because the USPS decided to send it on a U.S. tour. When I first saw this pennant, I thought "oh, someone replaced the 1962 team picture with a Falstaff postcard." Then, it dawned on me that this pennant is always black. Bocca searched Worthpoint and could not find another orange example. I know of another Giants collector who saw the pennant, but the Falstaff pic is what he saw and the color variation didn't "compute." I am actually glad JR just lists stuff as he finds it and doesn't bother with an iron, etc. Is this cloth (see blurry picture of the frayed thread)? Another odd thing is how the spine thread is black on the front and tan on the back. Even after picking off the remnants of the old spine, I'm not sure how this stitching is done. The replaced spine is temporary...it's in two pieces, as I didn't have enough black felt on hand. Anyway, happy to have this...it's been awhile since I've found a new Giants pennant.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

When I first saw this pennant, I thought "oh, someone replaced the 1962 team picture with a Falstaff postcard." Then, it dawned on me that this pennant is always black. Bocca searched Worthpoint and could not find another orange example. I know of another Giants collector who saw the pennant, but the Falstaff pic is what he saw and the color variation didn't "compute." Anyway, happy to have this...it's been awhile since I've found a new Giants pennant.

Sweet variation! Why did you take the picture out?

[Duluth Eskimo]

That’s a sweet Cardinals pennant. I believe this is most likely from those years in the 20’s. I have never seen a Cardinals pennant like this, but have seen other similar styles. Maybe not a one off, but most likely a single survivor. Possibly custom made for some type of display. Coming up with prices on these is difficult, but I agree it’s most like in that $2500 to 5k range. The stitching with the Cardinal is outstanding.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Very cool, Brad! If you’ve been following this thread, you’ll know our resident researcher is Kyle aka Domer. We’re all “pennant guys”, but Kyle is the go to for the old stuff. Hopefully, he will weigh in. If not Kyle, there are other very knowledgeable guys who regularly contribute to this thread. Can you post a picture of the tag? Also, what does your pennant measure? I’m looking forward to learning more!

I hadn't heard much about Baldwin Regalia Co. before today. A simple google search revealed they're still in business, specializing in the production of outdoor flags d/b/a Baldwin Preismeyer, now located in the suburban St. Louis area. See:

About Baldwin Priesmeyer
Our company was founded in 1908 by the Chauncey R. Baldwin family and remained in the family until 1985. Throughout our long history, we have always been located and operated in the city of St. Louis, until moving to Brentwood Missouri in March of 2003, expanding and modernizing our facilities. We moved again in March of 2023 to St Louis County outside of Creve Coeur and Chesterfield. We maintain a reputation for quality, efficiency, and prompt delivery and service.Over the years Baldwin Regalia (the original name) has manufactured or worked with a wide variety of products - many of which we no longer produce. Some of these products include the manufacture of chenille letters, horse blankets, drapes, window valances, pillow tops, jockey suits, and felt caps. Diminishing demand for these products and the introduction of more efficient machines and materials resulted in the company's departure from these markets in the 1950s and 1960s.

So, they undoubtedly dabbled in felt novelty pennants during the "gas house gang" era, when the red birds were routinely playing in the world series. That so, doesn't look like they made a lot of felt pennants over the years; and, probably none since the 1940s.

I've looked at a lot of trade catalogues from the 20th century and I've never seen this company listed as a recognized manufacturer of felt pennants. So, I'm thinking they only made pennants when the cards played in the world series?

Additionally, I suppose we can't entirely rule this manufacturer out as the mystery maker behind the "grommet pennant" series made between 1919 into the 1940s: https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...champs-pennant

[Domer05]

Here's the two known burgee flags, each measuring approximately 116" in length. Although the Phillies burgee listed by Hunt says it came from Wrigley, I believe this to be incorrect: it more likely came from Ebbets Field, where the team had a tradition of flying a solid blue "BROOKLYN" burgee beside a similar one for the visiting team, flying on an opposite pole outside the famed facade.

Here's a photo taken outside Ebbets Field during the 1956 World Series, Yankees vs. Dodgers. (The Yankees burgee was solid white with "NEW YORK" embroidered in black, visible behind the American flag in the photo.)

[brad15]

Thank you Domer for all that information! Did not even think of the possibility of it being the "mystery maker". BTW the label you posted is the exact same as the one on my pennant! Brad

[ooo-ribay]

Gary and Kyle solved the mystery” within 3 hours.

Gonna have to come up with some tougher mysteries.