Banned in Florida

[G1911]

You really shouldn't care this much. PWCC is a criminal fraud ring; being banned by them is really not that big of a problem.

In April, you made a thread calling out a relatively small issue with them and said you would not do business with them: https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=334797

In September, you were back with them and making a new thread about them, complaining about the result of sending them an insulting email : https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=339913

In October, you made thread #3 complaining about a ban. https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=342064

This is thread #4 of the year on the PWCC issue.


Greg Morris gave wrong information about a card's condition, the authentication program rejected it, and then you made a thread with a series of claims about the card and experience that didn't make sense and turned out to be mostly false (https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=327430). It was not rejected for not being authentic as you claimed, and your refund story where you again appear to have sent rude memos to the wrong people in your own telling.


I know I'm going to sound like an ass, but if you make false accusations about people or send them insulting memos they are likely to not want to do further business with you for the obvious reasons. At least know that if you do that to people they aren't going likely to continue dealing with you. You really should stop letting fraudsters live rent free in your head for peace of mind. There are plenty of decent folks out there selling and trading cards to enjoy and make good mutually beneficial deals with; you don't need PWCC.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by G1911

You really shouldn't care this much. PWCC is a criminal fraud ring; being banned by them is really not that big of a problem.

In April, you made a thread calling out a relatively small issue with them and said you would not do business with them: https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=334797

In September, you were back with them and making a new thread about them, complaining about the result of sending them an insulting email : https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=339913

In October, you made thread #3 complaining about a ban. https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=342064

This is thread #4 of the year on the PWCC issue.


Greg Morris gave wrong information about a card's condition, the authentication program rejected it, and then you made a thread with a series of claims about the card and experience that didn't make sense and turned out to be mostly false (https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=327430). It was not rejected for not being authentic as you claimed, and your refund story where you again appear to have sent rude memos to the wrong people in your own telling.


I know I'm going to sound like an ass, but if you make false accusations about people or send them insulting memos they are likely to not want to do further business with you for the obvious reasons. At least know that if you do that to people they aren't going likely to continue dealing with you. You really should stop letting fraudsters live rent free in your head for peace of mind. There are plenty of decent folks out there selling and trading cards to enjoy and make good mutually beneficial deals with; you don't need PWCC.

To the bold part. Are you referring to the current, former, or both owners of PWCC? Aren't they the PSA/Goldin/PWCC triangle of greatness now?

[Yoda]

Greg, you certainly didn't take long to take me to task. I wish now I didn't make the post but thought others might find it interesting. You are right about my confusion and expressed exasperation about the the '49 Bowman Spahn, where I really got the wrong end of the stick. The thing is I still wanted the card, regardless of Ebay's ruling, but had no say in the matter. The fact that I kept looking in the wrong account for my refund is on me. I don't recall anything insulting said about Greg Morris only that I and others felt that his card grading standards had slipped a bit.
Can we declare a truce? This is not worth prolonging.

[MikeGarcia]

A lot of us just made popcorn.

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[raulus]

I'm definitely eager to see where this goes as well.

At the same time, it does seem like Yoda has more than his fair share of trouble with various sellers. Of course, my first post here was about a major AH and some excitement I was having. They didn't officially ban me, but I suspect the CEO won't be sending me a Christmas card anytime soon. So I suppose we all are due for some unnecessary nonsense from sellers from time to time.

Maybe Yoda just buys a lot more, so if 1% of his deals go bad, it happens more often than with the rest of us?

[Snowman]

I can assure you that PWCC does not ban anyone for non-payment within 10 hours of auction end.

Also, several people have expressed concern about GM grades not being quite as reliable as they used to be. Even Greg himself made note of how difficult it is to find good graders or to train graders in a recent podcast interview where he stated that he is no longer doing the grading himself (or at least no longer doing all the grading, which he used to do). I don't know of anyone else that has been banned for making such statements. I've even said this myself, yet no repercussions have come my way.

I suspect if you're being banned, it likely has something to do with something other than not paying within 10 hours of auction end and something other than saying someone's grades aren't as accurate as they used to be.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Even Greg himself made note of how difficult it is to find good graders or to train graders in a recent podcast interview where he stated that he is no longer doing the grading himself (or at least no longer doing all the grading, which he used to do).

I am reminded of the following and not singling out any particular person or entity. This pertains to any business, but not adhering to it doesn't seem to affect companies in this hobby:

If you wish to expand, you can't expect success if you thin out your talent pool to the point of consistently making sloppy mistakes. Ha ha.

There are a finite number of knowledgable and talented people to do this work with a strong amount of proficiency. Growing too big and expanding too fast ends up making you look bad as you struggle to hire new "experts" whose actual knowledge base may range from semi-compitent to mediocre to worse. But everyone has their eye mostly on that C-note on the end of the fishing hook and that's what they care about the most.

In our industry, it's become all but laughable, yet people are still spending untold amounts for little pieces of sealed plastic.

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I can assure you that PWCC does not ban anyone for non-payment within 10 hours of auction end.

Also, several people have expressed concern about GM grades not being quite as reliable as they used to be. Even Greg himself made note of how difficult it is to find good graders or to train graders in a recent podcast interview where he stated that he is no longer doing the grading himself (or at least no longer doing all the grading, which he used to do). I don't know of anyone else that has been banned for making such statements. I've even said this myself, yet no repercussions have come my way.

I suspect if you're being banned, it likely has something to do with something other than not paying within 10 hours of auction end and something other than saying someone's grades aren't as accurate as they used to be.

I don't recall what # PWCC auction it was, say 2 mos. ago, I was the leading bidder on a '55 Bowman Kiner in extended bidding when I went to bed. The following morning I checked the results, found that I did win the card but was now blocked from further auction participation because of non-payment, so it happened to me. I suspect it was a systems glitch that endless exchanges with Customer Service failed to rectify.
As far as Greg Morris is concerned, I believe the reason I am persona non grata is because I said on the board, several here concurring, that I thought his grading standards had slipped a little. End of story.

[Aaron Seefeldt]

Hey John, I mean Yoda… use the force! I hope you’re well!

Many years ago I was banned by Lew Lipset from participating in his auctions. I had purchased an American Publishing PC of Wagner, this was before PSA, it was raw. He had over graded it so badly that I sent it back. He was furious and banned me from his auctions! I was crushed… I had studied his reference guides obsessively and had looked up to him and not to mention his auctions usually had ridiculously awesome vintage baseball cards!

So what did I do, you ask? I got permission from my brother-in-law to use his name and address! So whenever I called and talked to Lew I disguised my voice and used my brother-in-law’s name.

Shhhhhh! Don’t tell anyone…

[Kco]

Originally Posted by raulus

I'm definitely eager to see where this goes as well.

At the same time, it does seem like Yoda has more than his fair share of trouble with various sellers. Of course, my first post here was about a major AH and some excitement I was having. They didn't officially ban me, but I suspect the CEO won't be sending me a Christmas card anytime soon. So I suppose we all are due for some unnecessary nonsense from sellers from time to time.

Maybe Yoda just buys a lot more, so if 1% of his deals go bad, it happens more often than with the rest of us?

Typically if someone has a ton of disagreements with many people and businesses and its a pattern, it's NOT usually those being complained about that are the problem, there is always one common denominator...

[babraham]

Originally Posted by Kco

Typically if someone has a ton of disagreements with many people and businesses and its a pattern, it's NOT usually those being complained about that are the problem, there is always one common denominator...

Bingo.

[Aaron Seefeldt]

So I take it the last couple of guys to post don’t believe “the customer is always right”?

The 2 companies mentioned by John (Yoda) would rather turn their backs on a well established collector who has been buying rare vintage baseball items for at least the 30 years I’ve known him instead of finding a mutually satisfactory solution. Hmmmmm, not a great way to grow their companies. I’m glad I don’t have stock in them.

I’ve been a business man since I was a business kid. Even as a youngster I knew that “the customer is always right” - even when they’re wrong - they’re still right!