2024 National Table Space

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by bnorth

One of many good reasons is they are not paying the promoter for that spot.

Well, the promoter *is* getting paid for the spot; someone else is subletting part of it.

"You know, Kramer, I rented out half of my space to you..."

"...and I rented out half of that space to Newman!"

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

Well, the promoter *is* getting paid for the spot; someone else is subletting part of it.

"You know, Kramer, I rented out half of my space to you..."

"...and I rented out half of that space to Newman!"

That is how people that get paid and people that pay people see things differently. As a business owner I do not see the promoter getting paid anything for another seller in their venue. The person subletting is the one getting paid and the discounted space. That is complete BS when the others are paying full price and there is a huge waiting list of others willing to pay full price.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by bnorth

That is how people that get paid and people that pay people see things differently. As a business owner I do not see the promoter getting paid anything for another seller in their venue. The person subletting is the one getting paid and the discounted space. That is complete BS when the others are paying full price and there is a huge waiting list of others willing to pay full price.

But if there's a waiting list and all the available spaces are already paid for, there isn't a way for someone to pay the promoter full price (or any price).

[JackR]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

Well, the promoter *is* getting paid for the spot; someone else is subletting part of it.

"You know, Kramer, I rented out half of my space to you..."

"...and I rented out half of that space to Newman!"

These are the kind of comments that keep me coming back…

[Exhibitman]

It's BS given that the front door to the show is closed to new dealers. The only people adversely affected are the consumers who do not get to see as many items as they otherwise would if the subletting dealers are allowed.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

I know one dealer who set up last year for the first time. They had never set up before, nor were they ever really a dealer in the past. They also wouldn't have been entered into any lottery, as they were too busy with other hobby/industry work obligations to have ever needed to do so. How does that happen?

Also, I can tell you that for many, many years, one of the major TPAs rented their space from a former ballplayer who owned that slot. How does that happen?

[philliesfan]

I do not see a problem with it. Sort of. For example, If a show is 500 booths with 2 tables per booth and $600.00 per booth ($300.00 per table). That is 1,000 tables total. If I rent 1 table from an existing seller and pay him the $300.00 for a table, why should the promoter be paid anything? He was still paid the $600.00 fee per booth. And as far as patrons, they are still seeing 1,000 tables of merchandise.

I think the problem may be legal issues. What if the dealer subletting the space has an issue with a customer and something goes wrong. Who is responsible? The booth owner? The dealer subletting the space?

Now what happens if there is a theft and I lose a $10,000.00 card. Who explains and reports it to the promoter, the police? And how would my collectibles insurance company view it since I was not an authorized dealer?

There is a lot of things to consider.

There could be a solution. If the dealer that has the space provides the necessary information about the secondary dealer to the promoter, he could get a contract signed and charge an additional fee of $50.00 or $100.00 for paperwork.

Just my thoughts.
Bob

[butchie_t]

Wouldn't the fact that it just sounds wrong ever come into play?

Because it sounds wrong. Nothing like gaming the system to get away with something.

If I was ever a promoter and I found out about it. Both would be banned from any future event.

It just is not cool. IMHO.

Just because you can, does not mean you should.

Butch Turner

[mrreality68]

I believe subletting should be ok and it allows more dealers the chance to get in and more products/selections.
IF there is concern or liablities then the National should add something into the their contract to address it