Why is the SGC Pop Report Getting Ignored?

Aquarian Sports Cards · #1 12-09-2023, 10:17 AM

Maybe because I had to do 6 different Captchas for EACH item I wanted to look up? Annoying beyond words.

brass_rat · #2 12-09-2023, 10:34 AM

It's interesting to read these responses. I had always assumed that pop reports in general were ignored when it benefits the listing:

"Only one graded by ABC! Pop 1!" (Ignores grading co XYZ pop of 10)

Or

"Only two graded by XYZ! Highest grade!" (Ignores twenty graded higher by ABC)

raulus · #3 12-09-2023, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by brass_rat

It's interesting to read these responses. I had always assumed that pop reports in general were ignored when it benefits the listing:

"Only one graded by ABC! Pop 1!" (Ignores grading co XYZ pop of 10)

Or

"Only two graded by XYZ! Highest grade!" (Ignores twenty graded higher by ABC)

Well, for those of us who are set registry goons, the pop for the other guys isn�t relevant when it comes to the competition. Except if we�re considering buying one and trying to cross it over.

brianp-beme · #4 12-09-2023, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by brass_rat

It's interesting to read these responses. I had always assumed that pop reports in general were ignored when it benefits the listing:

"Only one graded by ABC! Pop 1!" (Ignores grading co XYZ pop of 10)

Or

"Only two graded by XYZ! Highest grade!" (Ignores twenty graded higher by ABC)

Very true...my mind always thinks "but what about the other company?"

On a slightly different note, ABC and XYZ are currently my preferences when sending cards off to get graded. They do a much more consistent job with their grading than PSA and SGC, and their turnarounds are virtually non-existent.

Brian

ejharrington · #5 12-09-2023, 11:20 AM

SGC population report is the worst.

Jobu · #6 12-09-2023, 11:59 AM

Original Question: Why is the SGC Pop Report Getting Ignored?

Answer: Because SGC has always ignored the SGC pop report.

Sterling Sports Auctions · #7 12-09-2023, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by brass_rat

It's interesting to read these responses. I had always assumed that pop reports in general were ignored when it benefits the listing:

"Only one graded by ABC! Pop 1!" (Ignores grading co XYZ pop of 10)

Or

"Only two graded by XYZ! Highest grade!" (Ignores twenty graded higher by ABC)

Steve, that is my point spot on. But if people are willing to ignore it that is up to them. Just do not understand why you would. Especially on lower pop items.

The responses have been interesting, definitely shows both companies have work to do cleaning up there pop reports.

SGC could easily start by making the search function easier and not requiring 8 characters.

Lee

frohme · #8 12-09-2023, 06:31 PM

Yes, the 8 char minimum in SGC's search is annoying, but that's only the start.

If you start with the year, it works well enough. e.g. "1912 T207" got me right to the T207's broken down by back ... and the fun starts there ...

Even though things evolve and there's not much way to correct past mistakes, omissions, etc... there is still much that could be improved:

Primarily data accuracy - fix things that are very clearly wrong.

After that, my biggest pet peeve is ... WHO SORTS BY FIRST NAME??... separate the damned names, please, or fix the sort ordering. I see that PSA has fixed this and that they are now ordered by default by last name. I will give SGC credit for being able to sort on any column simply by clicking the column headers ...

Also, for me, the entire table fits onscreen (no left/right scrolling) at least as long as 'Show old grading' is not selected.

Do I consult it much? not any more. Do I care? not really, but it is interesting to see how the populations have evolved over the last decade or so. Do I have graded cards? Almost entirely, and mostly SGC but the former registry has faded from the rear window and interest in the registry mostly with it... would I like to see it back. Maybe if they revisited the registry in more friendly way, but it would need work they're not willing to invest, I believe.

Snowman · #9 12-11-2023, 04:29 AM

As a data guy, I suspect that SGC wants to resolve their pop report and registry issues, but they've probably been blindsided by the scope of just how challenging it is, and how big of a job it is, to fix everything.

I seem to recall hearing that their entire operation was only 8 people a few years back, before the hobby really started to expand again. I don't know if that's true, but if so, it gives you some insight into what their technical capabilities likely were until very recently.

I believe they have dozens of employees now, and they're clearly working on improving things on the technical side (improved website, built a fairly decent app, etc).

Fixing their pop reports and getting a useful registry up and running means a lot of work needs to get done on the backend to clean up all of the set redundancies you guys are talking about. It sounds like they weren't forward thinking enough in the early days about data quality, and now they have a mountain to climb in cleaning that up. Add in the complexity that ultra modern cards bring with the billions of distinct sets and checklists being printed each year now, and things start to just build and build.

They know the hobby wants a registry. I trust that they are indeed working on it. I just think it's a much bigger problem than they thought it was going to be, and they probably don't have all the technical resources necessary to get it done. Yet. Maybe 2024 will be the year!

parkplace33 · #10 12-11-2023, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

They know the hobby wants a registry. I trust that they are indeed working on it. I just think it's a much bigger problem than they thought it was going to be, and they probably don't have all the technical resources necessary to get it done. Yet. Maybe 2024 will be the year!

Snowman, one can only hope. But I have heard the same thing for years and I am really curious if anyone at SGC is working on that.

Snowman · #11 12-11-2023, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by parkplace33

Snowman, one can only hope. But I have heard the same thing for years and I am really curious if anyone at SGC is working on that.

The fact that they came out with an app this year was promising. And it allows you to place your graded cards into a "My Cards" repository/folder. This was a much easier project to tackle than rebuilding a useful registry, but it's a promising sign nonetheless.

trib01 · #12 08-01-2024, 08:55 AM

When I interviewed with SGC some time ago for a management position this is one of the many items I brought up to them. As someone who used them regularly I was surprised at their reactions to the question of "What suggestions would I make or what would I do if given the authority?"
I think they failed to realize the importance of the POP reports and registry at the time. Several of my answers were met with laughter from the group. Since I knew I wasn't getting the job at that point - I told them that if they failed to "keep up" PSA would end up buying them out in 5 or 6 years....that was met with a great deal of laughter. We all know how that turned out. I still think today that had they made some critical decisions not long ago they would have been much closer to PSA in several areas. Just my two cents.

ValKehl · #13 08-01-2024, 08:41 PM

Cards I submitted to SGC in April now appear in SGC's pop report, including a W501-2 card, which is an issue SGC only recently began to recognize.

4815162342 · #14 08-01-2024, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

I sent three cards in for grading two weeks ago and all three showed up on the SGC pop report after grading. I think you got wrong info.

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Originally Posted by ValKehl

Cards I submitted to SGC in April now appear in SGC's pop report, including a W501-2 card, which is an issue SGC only recently began to recognize.

I am happy to hear that newly graded cards are still being added to the pop report. Hopefully they will begin accepting flips for removal again at some point.

Aquarian Sports Cards · #15 08-04-2024, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by trib01

When I interviewed with SGC some time ago for a management position this is one of the many items I brought up to them. As someone who used them regularly I was surprised at their reactions to the question of "What suggestions would I make or what would I do if given the authority?"
I think they failed to realize the importance of the POP reports and registry at the time. Several of my answers were met with laughter from the group. Since I knew I wasn't getting the job at that point - I told them that if they failed to "keep up" PSA would end up buying them out in 5 or 6 years....that was met with a great deal of laughter. We all know how that turned out. I still think today that had they made some critical decisions not long ago they would have been much closer to PSA in several areas. Just my two cents.

To your point I think PSA bought them defensively to prevent Fanatics from doing so. If Fanatics had bought them SGC would've ceased to be more of a clubhouse than a company. I love SGC, but the breadth of bad business decisions is staggering.

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