1911 Addie Joss Day??? RPPC at Mile High

[T206Jim]

Deron, as you will note on the panorama of Addie Joss Day the Cleveland team is wearing dark caps. The player applying the tag to the runner is wearing a white cap. The tagging player's uniform and cap matches the Detroit Tigers home uniforms up until 1913.

These facts raise the uncomfortable possibility that the RPPC depicts an actual Cleveland player sliding into a Tiger player at Bennett Park sometime in the early 1910s. A clear image of the sliding player's face would be helpful, but this may be the most likely scenario.

[Dardevl]

Agreed Jim! There seems to be a solid case for an in-depth review of the RPPC and the subjects. However, your scenario seems to have the most validity.

[Bicem]

I'm convinced, not him.

[Casey2296]

Great catch, I had my eye on that one, if the story was true it's a pretty significant PC. One of the reasons I appreciate this place so much.

[Fred]

Nice catch guys!

Why do TPGs encapsulate and label items like post cards incorrectly? I thought the "new" SGC did not like encapsulating items (like post cards and CDVs) they could not correctly label.

My understanding is that SGC didn't want to encapsulate a CDV of Ezra Sutton because they couldn't be sure it was him. However they did encapsulate a team CDV which had Sutton in the team photo. SGC totally blew it when they didn't encapsulate the Sutton CDV because the consignor could have gotten a bit more for the item if it were in a slab.

Look at the following comparison. How could SGC have missed this. Part of the team CDV is on the right (that team CDV was encapsulated). The CDV of Sutton is on the left. Look closely, the picture of Sutton in the team CDV is almost the same image as the other CDV. The understanding is that all the CDVs came in the same scrap book. Wow, I used to stand up for SGC in the past, but anymore, I'm not a huge fan.


Sutton CDV_1.jpg

[Dardevl]

Facial matching is definitely a challenging craft, and is NOT in my particular skillset, with any confidence; I appreciate the persons that can decipher those subtleties.

I lifted the RPPC image from the SGC website (which was not easy to find), and cropped the face of "the slider". Aside from a high-res pre-slabbed image, this may currently be the best/only option to review the Cleveland uniformed player. That, and an in-hand review.

I will let other board members weigh in on a Cobb confirmation or opposition or a possible 1910-11 Cleveland player- This range is determined by the lack of advertisement space in the same location from the confirmed 1909 Cobb "spikes" Baker photo and the 1909 Cobb sliding comparison image, in which a Washington player is manning 3rd base, as well as 1907 and 1909 World Series images at Bennett Park; And a 1912 Navin Field opening.

[calvindog]

It's not Cobb. Nice catch, Deron.

[Dardevl]

Thanks for your input, Jeffrey!