1921 Herpolsheimers graded w/o mark

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

This “debate” has become hilarious in its absurdity.

The only part I feel bad for is the next person that finds some REAL 1921 Herpolsheimer cards. They will potentially have to wade through this mess of a thread and read Brian’s comments that are not based on any actual evidence.

It is just bad for card scholarship to have this amount of misinformation and confirmation bias (by Brian) out there.

I echo Jeff’s thoughts on this being a painful thing to watch.

Rhett,

Still referring you back to post 240 which you haven't answered.

https://archive.org/details/LanstonM...e/n23/mode/2up

A typographical specimen booklet containing borders and ornaments for casting on the Lanston Monotype Composition Caster, Lanston Monotype Type-Caster, Lanston Monotype Giant Caster and Monotype-Thompson Type-Caster. This booklet is from a Lanston Monotype specimen book (binder) bearing the general title "Monotype Type Faces." It is undated, but based on internal evidence elsewhere in the binder it is from the late 1930s or early 1940s.


So, buying Herpolsheimer cards supposedly from 1921 with backs from the late 1930s or early 1940s is a good investment?

[molenick]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

Rhett,

Still referring you back to post 240 which you haven't answered.

https://archive.org/details/LanstonM...e/n23/mode/2up

A typographical specimen booklet containing borders and ornaments for casting on the Lanston Monotype Composition Caster, Lanston Monotype Type-Caster, Lanston Monotype Giant Caster and Monotype-Thompson Type-Caster. This booklet is from a Lanston Monotype specimen book (binder) bearing the general title "Monotype Type Faces." It is undated, but based on internal evidence elsewhere in the binder it is from the late 1930s or early 1940s.


So, buying Herpolsheimer cards supposedly from 1921 with backs from the late 1930s or early 1940s is a good investment?

The backs are not from 1930's-1940's. The binder is from 1930's-1940's. There is no way to know how old the back designs are just using the binder as evidence.

The binder also has a border that we all agree was used on legitimate 1921 Holsum Bread cards.

So if a border from this binder was used on 1921 Holsum Bread cards, why is it impossible that a border from the same binder was used on legitimate 1921 Herpolsheimer's cards?

No one is saying that this proves the Herpolsheimer's are real. But the binder also does not prove they are fake. It just proves that the border existed before the 1970's.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by molenick

The backs are not from 1930's-1940's. The binder is from 1930's-1940's. There is no way to know how old the back designs are just using the binder as evidence.

The binder also has a border that we all agree was used on legitimate 1921 Holsum Bread cards.

So if a border from the book was used on a 1921 Holsum Bread card, why is it impossible that a border from the same book was used on a legitimate 1921 Herpolsheimer's card?

No one is saying that this proves the Herpolsheimer's are real. But the binder also does not prove they are fake. It just proves that the border existed before the 1970's.

I'll wave at the bold print.

[molenick]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

I'll wave at the bold print.

In other words, you are admitting that you cannot explain how a border from the late 1930's can appear on a 1921 Holsum Bread card. Because according to the bold print, this is impossible.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by molenick

In other words, you are admitting that you cannot explain why a border from the 1930's can appear on a 1921 Holsum Bread card. Because according to the bold print, this is impossible.

LOL! Hiccups! Oh, thank you.

"In other words, you are admitting that you cannot explain why a border from the 1930's can appear on a 1921 Holsum (actually the Herpolsheimer is fake) Bread card."

Not in other words. Those are the perfect words. Yes, I'm stealing a Hollywood punchline.

A border from the 1930's can appear on a 1921 Holsum Bread (actually the Herpolsheimer is fake) card when it is actually not from 1921, but a much later date and to go even further when the printer found the back design for his print.

Thank you. Out of all of the over 300 posts in this thread, yours was the best setup line of any.

Updated at 6:07 p.m. and altered from Michael's original post.

Thank you so much.

Waving you the best

[molenick]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

LOL! Hiccups! Oh, thank you.

"In other words, you are admitting that you cannot explain why a border from the 1930's can appear on a 1921 Holsum Bread card."

Not in other words. Those are the perfect words. Yes, I'm stealing a Hollywood punchline.

A border from the 1930's can appear on a 1921 Holsum Bread card when it is actually not from 1921, but a much later date and to go even further when the printer found the back design for his print.

Thank you. Out of all of the over 300 posts in this thread, yours was the best setup line of any.

Thank you so much.

Waving you the best

So you are saying the 1921 Holsum Bread cards are from a later date?

[Brian Van Horn]

Oops. My cold. So, sorry. Graduated from waive to wave to misreading with a cataract in my left eye. So sorry. Holsum good. Herpolsheimer fraud.

Still, waving you a good day.

Look forward to reading from you.