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Old 11-21-2023, 10:15 PM
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Still overjoyed to not bid on the lots. I refer back to my story at the old Robert Morris show in Moon Township in Pittsburgh in May 1999. There, a gentleman who had the first cards from this "collection" waived his hand over the cards in the case and stated the prices on the back of the cards were because they were not original.

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Still overjoyed to not bid on the lots. I refer back to my story at the old Robert Morris show in Moon Township in Pittsburgh in May 1999. There, a gentleman who had the first cards from this "collection" waived his hand over the cards in the case and stated the prices on the back of the cards were because they were not original.
I am not sure what to make of this post. Are you saying that 1921 Herpolsheimers were known in 1999 (before the 2004 find, which supposedly is when they were first discovered)? And that find or the LOTG find (or both) are not original cards?
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I am unclear what to make of this post. Are you saying that 1921 Herpolsheimers were known in 1999 (before the 2004 find, which supposedly is when they were first discovered)? And that find or the LOTG find (or both) are not original cards?
I don't think I would take much stock in 24 yr old hearsay. I have handled quite a few from that first batch and, just as the TPGs think they are real, so do I and every other sane collector.

Here's my Herpolsheimers back, with some others, from my 1st collection.
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Is John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt in the Herpolsheimer set?
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I am not sure what to make of this post. Are you saying that 1921 Herpolsheimers were known in 1999 (before the 2004 find, which supposedly is when they were first discovered)? And that find or the LOTG find (or both) are not original cards?
Just relaying my story once again and the cards I mentioned were eventually auctioned on eBay by another party. The thread on the matter should be able to be found. It should also be noted the guy who had them was at the first Cleveland National after 1999.
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Here is a post that has me responding on December 24, 2004. I have responded the same way in other posts. By the way, happy upcoming 19th anniversary on our difference of opinions on this matter and Happy Thanksgiving to you and all other members:

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...=herpolsheimer
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Old 11-22-2023, 11:19 AM
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Not trying to embarrass Leon, but just pointing out history of the two posts. The first has him mentioning.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...=herpolsheimer

10/26/2004

It was 12/24/2004 he disputed me on it being real.
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At first I thought they weren't real. Then I did, and still do.

Why would you mention someone told you they weren't real, all those years ago, in this thread? Slow day?


And I guess since you said above "Still overjoyed to not bid on the lots." you think they aren't real. LOL

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Not trying to embarrass Leon, but just pointing out history of the two posts. The first has him mentioning.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...=herpolsheimer

10/26/2004

It was 12/24/2004 he disputed me on it being real.
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Old 11-22-2023, 12:07 PM
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The cards are real. They are neither fantasy nor counterfeit.

As Al mentioned in the write up, there was much upheaval at Herpolsheimer’s in 1920-21, as the grandfather died and the father who ran the store died unexpectedly not long thereafter. The business did not pass to the oldest son, who had worked there unremarkably, and the most experienced or capable management employee resigned because of differences with that oldest son. The son next in line was only 19 when his dad died, so technical management went to the widow, and as a result the former employee came back as general manager, with #2 son taking the reins in 1921 and oldest son shown the door around the end of 1921 (he would later sue over his inheritance). No doubt all of this maneuvering and various family tussles affected promotional and advertising plans.

I will go out on a limb a little and say that any future finds of this set will number in the dozens of cards, as was the case with the first group offered and now the one in LOTG. I say this because Herpolsheimers is the only advertiser of these 1920-21 cards that did business as a department store. The others were various bread/bakery shops or confectioner/candy makers that likely meted out the cards one per unit. Unlike what happened in 1916, when Herpolsheimer distributed its cards in series of 20 cards per/week, here the cards are unnumbered and “series” would not have made much sense. I suspect that they flat out sold them either as an entire set or in groups of several cards, rather than adding them as prizes to a store purchase. I also would not be surprised if the original owner of the cards in the Band-Aid find had a sibling or two with whom he shared the cards at first, with the others being less carefully kept over the years and now lost (although that is obviously just a wild guess). Again, however, it appears whatever the distribution plan, it was not in place very long.
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