Lelands Offers Extraordinary CDV Find Showing Baseball’s Beginnings

[Schwertfeger1007]

Nice pickup Craig!

I let the White go to focus on going into extras on Brouthers. The more I look into him the cooler I think it is. I've been told it's unique and I haven't found another single image of Brouthers pre-Detroit.

Could this be the earliest single image of Brouthers?

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by Schwertfeger1007

Nice pickup Craig!

I let the White go to focus on going into extras on Brouthers. The more I look into him the cooler I think it is. I've been told it's unique and I haven't found another single image of Brouthers pre-Detroit.

Could this be the earliest single image of Brouthers?

Sorry to disappoint. There are several images of Brouthers pre-Detroit (at least on team items). That said, why do you think your new (awesome) cabinet is pre-Detroit? Isn’t the studio in Detroit? Did I miss something? Are we even sure it’s from 1886 (or before)?

EDIT: just saw one of your prior posts that mentions the Cabinet showing noting him as a Buffalo player. Very interesting. I hadn’t seen that before. That certainly lends some credence to this being issued in 1886 before the season started as Buffalo sold some of their best players to Detroit due to financial troubles. Very interesting indeed.

Here’s my checklist of the earliest Brouthers items:

https://imageevent.com/derekgranger/...t/danbrouthers

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

Sorry to disappoint. There are several images of Brouthers pre-Detroit (at least on team items). That said, why do you think your new (awesome) cabinet is pre-Detroit? Isn’t the studio in Detroit? Did I miss something? Are we even sure it’s from 1886 (or before)?

Here’s my checklist of the earliest Brouthers items:

https://imageevent.com/derekgranger/...t/danbrouthers

He has his team and name listed on his collar as “Brouthers-Buffalo” which seemingly would indicate that it dates from 1881-1885 when with Buffalo. He may have simply been in Detroit playing the Wolverines when he sat for the picture, similar to some of the Old Judge “proof” cards being taken of some teams while they were in town playing a different teams so the team city and location where photo was taken not being the same.

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

He has his team and name listed on his collar as “Brouthers-Buffalo” which seemingly would indicate that it dates from 1881-1885 when with Buffalo. He may have simply been in Detroit playing the Wolverines when he sat for the picture, similar to some of the Old Judge “proof” cards being taken of some teams while they were in town playing a different teams so the team city and location where photo was taken not being the same.

I was just editing my prior post as you wrote this post (so before I saw your note). Very interesting. I would venture to guess that this was issued between 1885-86 while he was “in between” teams as Buffalo sold him to Detroit during this time due to financial troubles. But certainly it could have been taken while on a road trip to Detroit prior to 1886. I hadn’t noticed this before. Very astute observation.

And congrats on the pick-up, Brian! I’ll update my HOF earliest checklist accordingly.

[Schwertfeger1007]

I knew there were team images prior but thought this could be the first "single" or individual card of Brouthers.

I asked the smartest person I know (on this stuff at least) Joe G and he said the same that it likely was taken pre 86 while Buffalo was in town playing Detroit. I guess that was a common occurrence for the time.

Either way I couldn't be happier to win this thing and I'll be waiting patiently on my front porch for the foreseeable future for the UPS guy to arrive

Now if anyone has a Roger Connor or King Kelly N173 or GQ they'd be willing to part with I'd love to talk with them about it.

[h2oya311]

Brian -

Awesome cab and congrats again on the pick-up! I think the earliest your new cab could have been produced is 1883, given how much hair he had in images with Buffalo through at least the 1882 season. The hair style (shaved head?) look is very similar to the style he wore during his time with Detroit. So I’d date this cabinet to between 1883 to early 1886 as I still think there’s a chance he had this taken as he transitioned from Buffalo to Detroit. I don’t know what his hair looked like in that three year period (1883-1885), but if images surface, they could help with getting a more precise date of your cab.

Here’s what he looked like in 1880:



Given that this NY Clipper Woodcut was issued on newspaper stock, I would say you have a very strong argument that you own the earliest (known) individual ”card” of Brouthers! Pretty awesome!