Same SGC 7 Mantle Sold 4 times in 15 months

[Casey2296]

Nice Cobby Peter!.

[Peter_Spaeth]

https://mavin.io/item/1952-Topps-Mic...antle%20%23311

[Peter_Spaeth]

Also, someone tells me the SGC cert is not active?

[Rhotchkiss]

That’s unreal. So it “sold” another time in 2021 for $950k. Same card, 5 sales, 4 from pwcc, two from vault/BIN. No, nothing fishy there at all. Totally normal and defensible

Interesting that its not picked up by VCP.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

That’s unreal. So it “sold” another time in 2021 for $950k. Same card, 5 sales, 4 from pwcc, two from vault/BIN. No, nothing fishy there at all. Totally normal and defensible

Interesting that its not picked up by VCP.

Betsy wouldn't lie.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

That’s unreal. So it “sold” another time in 2021 for $950k. Same card, 5 sales, 4 from pwcc, two from vault/BIN. No, nothing fishy there at all. Totally normal and defensible

Interesting that its not picked up by VCP.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Betsy wouldn't lie.

Let's be clear about our claims here. You guys are accusing PWCC (and Betsy and Brent specifically) of faking these sales. Without evidence, I should add.

However, when you go to PWCC's sales history page, neither the $550k sale nor the $950k sale are listed. If the sales were real, and paid for, they would be listed.

So where do these "comps" come from? According to VCP, the $550k sale was an eBay sale where the seller was "pwcc_vault". The same is true of this "Mavin" sale. It says it was an eBay sale from the seller "pwcc_vault". Yet, PWCC doesn't list either of these sales.

The only auction house I am aware of that reports items as "sold" even if they don't get paid for is eBay. Which is where both of these "sales" (which apparently were not paid for according to PWCC's own records) occurred.

So your beef here is with eBay, yet it's being misdirected toward PWCC, despite not being warranted.

Someone faked the sales on eBay (all that is required is for some random account with zero feedback to "make an offer" or click on "buy it now" and then never pay). This is entirely on the consigner and/or the shill bidder. Not on PWCC.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Peter:

Can you or someone else please elaborate on the hobby fraud that was going on around 2016, I have heard rumblings about the same in the past. There was a period where I was out of touch with the hobby for a few years, including that time period.

Thanks!