Alex Rodriguez Thinks He Is Entitled

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah but 250 wins and all those postseasons, I hear you, but is there a better example of the "Packs rule"?

No, no average players no matter how beloved get their #'s retired.

Unless you count they were an average player, but then became a very good coach/manager, but just true average players no matter how beloved do not get their #'s retired.

If so the Cubs would have retired Buckner, DeJesus, Mark Grace, among others.

Gotta put up numbers.

But Pettite, maybe Michael Young (Texas), Jimmy Wynn (Houston), Strawberry & Gooden (Mets) are among the weakest out there compared to the Greats of the game that have their #'s retired.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

No, no average players no matter how beloved get their #'s retired.

Unless you count they were an average player, but then became a very good coach/manager, but just true average players no matter how beloved do not get their #'s retired.

If so the Cubs would have retired Buckner, DeJesus, Mark Grace, among others.

Gotta put up numbers.

But Pettite, maybe Michael Young (Texas), Jimmy Wynn (Houston) are among the weakest out there compared to the Greats of the game that have their #'s retired..

While of course there some intangibles, it seems to me stats are the foundation and the most important consideration.

[packs]

A lot of the Yankees have their number retired because of what they meant to the team. There are 23 numbers retired and 10 of them are not HOFers. One of the HOFers is Phil Rizzuto.

The Red Sox retired Johnny Pesky’s number.

The Angels retired Jim Fregosi’s number.

The Astros have retired 9 numbers of which 3 are HOFers.

The Guardians retired Mel Harder’s number.

There are other examples as well. It all depends on how you feel about sometimes all stars and whether you’re a fan of that team.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by packs

A lot of the Yankees have their number retired because of what they meant to the team. There are 23 numbers retired and 10 of them are not HOFers. One of the HOFers is Phil Rizzuto.

The Red Sox retired Johnny Pesky’s number.

The Angels retired Jim Fregosi’s number.

The Astros have retired 9 numbers of which 3 are HOFers.

The Guardians retired Mel Harder’s number.

There are other examples as well. It all depends on how you feel about sometimes all stars and whether you’re a fan of that team.

True, but Pesky, Harder & Fregosi were all coaches/managers after their playing careers were over, so they stayed with their organization, so they didn't get their number retired by playing career only.

[packs]

The Twins retired Hrbek’s number. The Padres did Randy Jones. The White Sox have Konerko and Buerhle. Willie Horton on the Tigers. Frank White on the Royals. It’s a fan service and if you’re loved it gets to be about more than stats.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by packs

The Twins retired Hrbek’s number. The Padres did Randy Jones. The White Sox have Konerko and Buerhle. Willie Horton on the Tigers. Frank White on the Royals. It’s a fan service and if you’re loved it gets to be about more than stats.

Right, all guys similar to Pettite, Gooden, etc., put up good, not HOF numbers, with their team and had long careers mostly with that team that retired their number.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Let's consider this question: how many players statistically comparable to ARod have NOT had their numbers retired, assuming they played a long stretch with one team and I think all probably did?

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Let's consider this question: how many players statistically comparable to ARod have NOT had their numbers retired, assuming they played a long stretch with one team and I think all probably did?

Sammy Sosa

[bk400]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Let's consider this question: how many players statistically comparable to ARod have NOT had their numbers retired, assuming they played a long stretch with one team and I think all probably did?

There probably aren't any. Which goes to show how much Yankees fans hate A-Rod.

They won't retire his jersey in spite of the uniquely awesome stats that he compiled for their team.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Let's consider this question: how many players statistically comparable to ARod have NOT had their numbers retired, assuming they played a long stretch with one team and I think all probably did?

Which players do you consider statistically comparable to A-Rod?


Somebody's gotta be the canary in the coal mine.