Alex Rodriguez Thinks He Is Entitled

[packs]

Why would there not be emotion involved? This is about retired numbers not stats or WAR. Pettitte is a fan favorite beloved Yankee and has nothing in common with Alex Rodriguez. Fans will never link them so there’s no reason to say because fans love Pettitte they must love someone else.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by packs

Why would there not be emotion involved? This is about retired numbers not stats or WAR. Pettitte is a fan favorite beloved Yankee and has nothing in common with Alex Rodriguez. Fans will never link them so there’s no reason to say because fans love Pettitte they must love someone else.

Because this thread was pretending it was about his PED use and scandal, which is a complete fiction with Pettitte as the obvious proof of that. The claim that Pettitte is an all time performing yankee and Rodriguez is not is laughably absurd. The real answer is that A-Rod is cast as a villain, and this has nothing to do with merit, consistency, or fairness. That’s the entire point.

[ClementeFanOh]

Packs- good luck now that 1911 is weighing in. He’s never been wrong, just ask him. The #1 rule for 1911- he’s always right, and for heaven’s sake don’t question it… Now, for actual reality. Your point about emotion being part of number retirement- which again, Arod himself made news- is spot on. He is NOT an “all time” anything. His entire offensive output is asterisk- all of it. Trent King

[packs]

Retiring a number is all about fan service. Talking about stats is meaningless to the conversation. Alex Rodriguez is a not a beloved player for any of the franchises he played with. The Yankees retiring his number wouldn’t make any more sense than the Mariners retiring it, which I highly doubt they’ll ever do.

[packs]

Fundamentally, retiring a number is about fans saying goodbye to the player. No one is holding a candle for Alex Rodriguez.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by packs

Retiring a number is all about fan service. Talking about stats is meaningless to the conversation. Alex Rodriguez is a not a beloved player for any of the franchises he played with. The Yankees retiring his number wouldn’t make any more sense than the Mariners retiring it, which I highly doubt they’ll ever do.

Then make that argument in the first place. From post #1 this thread largely pretended it is about steroids; which is demonstrably false. You chose to make the argument the difference is that Pettitte is an all time Yankee but the far and away greatest 3B is not and this is not meritous is also demonstrably false.

If the argument is now (take 3) that yes, it has nothing to do with merit and is about narratives of heroes and villains independent of ascertainable fact, then we actually agree lol.

[packs]

Originally Posted by G1911

Then make that argument in the first place. From post #1 this thread largely pretended it is about steroids; which is demonstrably false. You chose to make the argument the difference is that Pettitte is an all time Yankee but the far and away greatest 3B is not and this is not meritous is also demonstrably false.

If the argument is now (take 3) that yes, it has nothing to do with merit and is about narratives of heroes and villains independent of ascertainable fact, then we actually agree lol.

Again, why would it not be? Retiring a number has nothing to do with stats. It's fan service and something that is typical reserved for the most beloved players a franchise has ever had. There is no magic number for having your number retired. Nobody cares what your batting average was.

You brought up Pettitte like he informed the conversation, but he doesn't. Because unlike A-rod, Pettitte is someone fans loved.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by packs

Again, why would it not be? Retiring a number has nothing to do with stats. It's fan service and something that is typical reserved for the most beloved players a franchise has ever had. There is no magic number for having your number retired. Nobody cares what your batting average was.

You brought up Pettitte like he informed the conversation, but he doesn't. Because unlike A-rod, Pettitte is someone fans loved.

I don’t choose the arguments other people make. I didn’t choose the canard of an argument that Pettitte is an all-time team Yankee and A-Rod isn’t. I didn’t choose the complete fiction that it’s about PED’s. Surely you can understand that Pettitte is the proof the original claim of the thread is untrue. PED scandal is not the line keeping him out, because they put in a worse player with PED scandals. No shit Pettitte informs that argument, because he’s the proof it’s false. I said from the get go media and fan narratives independent of fairness or fact is what it’s about. You seem to believe the same thing.

[packs]

Originally Posted by G1911

I don’t choose the arguments other people make. I didn’t choose the canard of an argument that Pettitte is an all-time team Yankee and A-Rod isn’t. I didn’t choose the complete fiction that it’s about PED’s. Surely you can understand that Pettitte is the proof the original claim of the thread is untrue. PED scandal is not the line keeping him out, because they put in a worse player with PED scandals. No shit Pettitte informs that argument, because he’s the proof it’s false. I said from the get go media and fan narratives independent of fairness or fact is what it’s about. You seem to believe the same thing.

The first post was about why someone doesn't like A-Rod and did not include any references to anything the Yankees have said about A-Rod. If you're saying it's impossible to discuss retiring numbers at any point after that without talking about Andy Pettitte, that is not fact either.

I also have no idea what your beef is with Pettitte or why you're pretending he's not an all-time Yankee. He so obviously is and is so obviously beloved by everyone who follows the Yankees. I mean, what are you suggesting about him when you say things like it's a "canard of an argument" to talk about him being one of the all-time Yankees? How is that false at all?

[D. Bergin]

Yankees should just start handing out his number randomly to no-hoper September AAA call-ups...see if they can get him to start crying on air, while Big Papi loudly laughs at him just off camera.





My last post on this matter.







Probably not.