1952 Topps Baseball - Perspectives

[ALR-bishop]

Remember the instruction in post 1, Greg....go easy

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Remember the instruction in post 1, Greg....go easy

That was easy

[swarmee]

One of the other reasons we know what the double prints are is due to minor discrepancies in the image/printing plate from the first card on a sheet to the second. With how studied the 1952 set has been, we would know of many more copies with laces going different directions, missing pixels, etc if there were more.

Data analysis in a vacuum will not be accepted unless it is backed up with primary and secondary sources.

[Zach Wheat]

Good job Perry, interesting post and ensuing discussion.

The pop count for certain cards are slightly skewed by a number of factors. One collector recently put back into circulation, a number of cards that were hand cut in the 1980s from sheets. About 30 cards were graded as hand cut but several hundred cards that appeared to be NrMnt were sold raw by a popular seller on eBay. I was told by the original source of the cards that he had several hundred cards that were sold.

This makes me wonder if the same thing happened to the mid-series gray backs (#131-190) where you frequently see some cards, but rarely see others. You would think they were all printed in equal quantity - but that does not appear to be the case.

[Republicaninmass]

The black and red bavknwere printed separately, just just throw one black series out the window!

For high numbers, you couldn't subtract the low grade ones people have submitted since they are valueble in grades 1-3, as the Rosen find skewed the pop to have more higher grade high series.


No easy way to do it

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

This makes me wonder if the same thing happened to the mid-series gray backs (#131-190) where you frequently see some cards, but rarely see others. You would think they were all printed in equal quantity - but that does not appear to be the case.

Per a previous thread, Post 42 makes the suggestion that the 3rd series sheet was 10x10 layout with #131-170 double-printed on the sheet, while #171-190 rows were single-printed.
https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=128228

Looking at the 1952 Topps Pop Report, you would likely see lower average numbers of the cards graded in 171-190 (excepting the HOF/star cards). I would also expect to see a lower average grade for those cards, because people need any condition to complete the set, but will only send better conditioned cards for those are plentiful.

https://www.psacard.com/pop/baseball...52/topps/49722

What's with the #180 Charley Maxwell card? 940 or so graded, in nearly any condition. Just because he's a Red Sox player? Or was this considered a SP somewhere down the line which led to some mystique about the card?

Here's my counts by theoretical single-prints and double-prints.

131-170	Count	660.2	Grade	5.924067314	Stars:	House		

171-190	Count	604.55	Grade	5.798411596	Stars: 	Reiser	B Martin	Maxwell

Seems to be backed up by the numbers. Lower average count, lower average grade (although I left the stars in the averages). Billy Martin has 2 times the number of cards graded otherwise in the 171-190 range.

Even though if that sheet layout is correct, the cards in the middle rows of the sheet are the double-prints, giving them a better shot at being centered.

[G1911]

I have no idea why Maxwell is popular, he was the last card I got building the white series because he carries a premium. He does not appear to be any scarcer.

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Per a previous thread, Post 42 makes the suggestion that the 3rd series sheet was 10x10 layout with #131-170 double-printed on the sheet, while #171-190 rows were single-printed.

This could be but there are general trends within the presumed single and double prints. I have been searching for cards between 171-190 for quite a while. Five of these cards appear to show up frequently, while the others do not. The same general trend appears in cards #131-170. Some gray backs like Judson, Dubiel and Rojek are found frequently, while others are not seen as often. This makes me think there is something else affecting the pop counts as well.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

This could be but there are general trends within the presumed single and double prints. I have been searching for cards between 171-190 for quite a while. Five of these cards appear to show up frequently, while the others do not. The same general trend appears in cards #131-170. Some gray backs like Judson, Dubiel and Rojek are found frequently, while others are not seen as often. This makes me think there is something else affecting the pop counts as well.

It's weird because 189 gray is tough. But 190 is more plentiful. I know the 177 and 181 are also some of the lowest graded among the gray backs. I assume they didn't change the sheet set up.

Maybe it's 171-179 and 181-189?