T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[RCMcKenzie]

Thanks for the mention, Ted, yes, I am still looking for a T213-1 Rhoades hands at chest. If anyone has one to trade, let me know.

I am fortunate to have these 2 T206's, though. The BL350 has been changed by an earlier collector to a "Kansas City" card.

[tedzan]

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.... Sweet Caporal ...... Sovereign ......... Piedmont___The "House" that created these Tobacco cards___American Beauty ... COUPON ...…...... UZIT


This thread will provide references to major contributions posted on Net54 these past 14 years that have formed a better understanding of "The Monster" [as Bill Heitman
so aptly coined his T206 book (circa 1980)].
Let's start with the 2005-2006 publication of Scot Reader's Inside T206
An excellent, very informative, and well written book that inspired many of us Net54ers to post our experiences and theory's regarding the complexities of the T206 series.

One of the early and very significant T206 threads was posted in June 2006 by Barry Arnold, titled T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection ?
This thread sparked lots of brainstorming among Net54ers regarding T206's. It included surveys; and, various aspects of the T206 series were explored.....resulting in 363
meaningful posts. Furthermore, between many of us Net54ers, this thread was...."the beginning of a beautiful friendship" (to quote Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca).

In the Summer of 2006, Bill Brown posted his T206 Super-Set (excel) spreadsheet. Bill received 1000's of inputs from Net54ers for this spreadsheet. It was a great start
in the pursuit of what a T206 "master" set would be comprised of....T206 Super-Set

Sept 2007, I started a thread titled Joe Doyle NAT'L and it's 11 "cousins"....SURVEY to explore certain PIEDMONT 350 cards that I considered as rare as the Joe Doyle
"error" card. I eventually referred to these particular T206's as the Elite 11


Subsequent posts in this thread will expand on theory's regarding the structure of the T206 series and the front/back permutations that have resulted. A fair number of the
theory's presented on Net54 (since 2006) have withstood the test of time. Providing accurate lists of which front/back combos were printed. And, which ones are No-Prints.

So, stay tuned......many more T206 "oldies but goodies" References and Reflections will be posted here.

And, feel free to contribute any meaningful T206 stories, or experiences collecting T206's that you have.

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INDEX

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Post #1......Introduction....plus Scot Reader's " Inside T206 " book, and 3 significant T206 threads (circa..2006) for starters.

Post #2......The beginning of the six "Super-Prints"

Post #4......SOVEREIGN phantom "350/460" series (apple green cards)

Post #5......350/460 series backs identified

Post #8......350/460 series mutually-exclusive cards

Post #22.....T206 Plank mystery

Post #25.....T206 DRUM's...."A-B-C-D" connection

Post #26.....A-B-C-D connection expanded

Post #28.....1910 COUPON (T213-1) sub-set

Post #30.....Ty Cobb / Ty Cobb back

Post #31.....T206 Checklists....plus 1910 COUPON, T215-1 and Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb

Posts #33 & 34.....Richard Russell's unique T206 collection

Posts #35 - 36 & 38.....Exclusive 12 group (460-only series)

Post #39.....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 No Frame subjects = DRUM subjects

Posts #44 & 48.....Collecting T206 sets....tell us your story's

Post #54.....T206 all-PIEDMONT set

Post #65......SOVEREIGN set story

Post #69......SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #30 set story

Posts #72 & 74......AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 adventure

Posts #76 - 77......T206 cards RE-FRONTED (or re-backed)....FAKE's !

Post #93.....T206 "Proofs"

Post #96.....UZIT checklist

Post #97.....Spring of 1911....T206 era ends....the start of the "Golden era" begins

Post #98.....ATC Factory's associated with the White-Bordered cards (1909 - 1911)

Posts #101 & 106.....BROAD LEAF 460 checklist

Post #107.....Hobby greats....Frank Nagy and Bill Heitman

Post #108.....CAROLINA BRIGHTS checklist

Post #124.....PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42 checklist

Posts #128 - 131.....Why are Connie Mack, Jack Coombs, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Smoky Joe Wood missing in the T206 set ?

Posts #134 & 138.....Timeline of the T206 POLAR BEAR cards

Post #144.....T206 OLD MILL (Major League series) cards

Post #146..... T206 OLD MILL Southern League cards

Post #161.....Southern League cards (continued)

Post #162.....T206 Southern Leaguers Brown OLD MILL cards

Post #171.....The mysterious T206 brown LENOX cards

Post #181.....SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #30 backs (w/o Factory #42 overprint)

Post #190.....El Principe de Gales T206 cards

Post #196.....SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #42 overprint cards

Post #198.....Regional source of the Elite 11 cards

Posts #201 >> 227.....Show-n-tell us of your favorite T206's

Posts #231 >> 248.....Show-n-tell us of your T206 Run(s)

Posts #263 >> 276.....T206 color printing errors......let's see some of these interesting T206's

Posts #282 >> 294.....The mysterious nature of the Red HINDU cards

Posts #302 >> 316.....Show-n-tell us of your MAGIE cards

Posts #328 >> 333.....T206 150-only subjects......

Posts #334 >> 346.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206

Posts #353 >> 358.....PIEDMONT set structure & checklist

Posts #360 >> 366.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206

Post #368.....Reminiscing about T206's in 2005

Post #378.....Remembering Jantz Morey

Posts #379 >> 385.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206

Posts #386 >> 402.....T206 printed sheet structure

Posts #405 >> 440.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards

Posts #441 >> 450.....Comparable printing patterns of the T206's and T205's

Posts #453 >> 467.....Guess the price of a near complete T206 set

Posts #469 >> 470.....Guess the selling price of a COMPLETE SOVEREIGN set

Posts #471 >> 474.....Guess selling price of a near complete PIEDMONT set

Posts #476 >> 479.....Guess selling price of a complete SWEET CAP, F#30 set

Posts #481 >> 515.....Show-n-Tell us of your T206 "finds"

Posts #516 >> 536....."Bang the DRUM Slowly" while showing us your DRUM cards

Posts #537 >> 551.....Guess how many Demmitt & O'Hara St Louis cards exist ?

Posts #553 >> 554.....FYI: T206 rosters of the 16 Major League teams

Posts #561 >> 570.....FYI: T206 rosters of the 16 Major League teams

Posts #571 >> 572.....FYI: 350 Series Minor Leaguer's checklist and trivia

Posts #573 >> 573.....T206 Southern League cards illustrated

Posts #574 >> 579.....T206 "Monster" obsession ? ....Check-out this one !

Posts #580 >> 597.....Do the T215-1 cards belong in the T206 set ?

Posts #598 >> 600.....Any guesses why no CHESTERFIELD or LUCKY STRIKE T-cards ?

Posts #601 >> 603.....Any guesses why no CHESTERFIELD or LUCKY STRIKE T-cards ?

Posts #605 >> 621.....the TOLSTOI story

Posts #622 >> 623.....Meet me at Philly, we can Talk T206's

Posts #624 >> 635.....CYCLE 460 checklist

Posts #636 >> 650.....The "MONSTER" Master Set achievement

Posts #651 >> 664.....The "MONSTER" Master Set achievement

Posts #665 >> 669.....UPGRADING T206 cards

Posts #671 >> 674.....And then, there are times to down-grade your T206's

Posts #675 >> 692.....Black LENOX checklist

Posts #693 >> 697.....Check-out Jamie B's multi-brand T206 card

Posts #698 >> 700.....Revisting the mysterious Ty Cobb card with TY COBB back

Posts #701 >> 713.....Reprising the Ty Cobb / TY COBB card debate

Posts #714 >> 726.....CYCLE 350 checklist..... where have all the CYCLE 350 cards gone ?

Posts #727 >> 741.....the enigmatic Lajoie (with bat)..... Post your inputs and/or cards

Posts #742 >> 750.....The elusive ELITE 11....show them, if you have them

Posts #751 >> 760.....The elusive ELITE 11....show them, if you have them

Posts #761 >> 800.....How do you collect T206's: Graded or Ungraded ?...show us your cards

Posts #801 >> 823.....How do you collect T206's: Graded or Ungraded ?...show us your cards

Posts #824 >> 832.....Possible sources of the T206 Wagner cards

Posts #833 >> 850.....T206 BLANK-BACKS...if you have them, post them here

Posts #851 >> 853.....T206 BLANK-BACKS...if you have them, post them here

Posts #854 >> 883.....What backs are your favorite(s), and do you collect runs of them ?

Posts #884 >> 900.....Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS

Posts #901 >> 916.....Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS

Posts #917 >> 944.....MISSION (99%) ACCOMPLISHED American Beauty 460 run. Show your favorite run

Posts #945 >> 950.....Red Ink "Twins" > HINDU and SWEET CAPORAL 350-460 Factory #42 cards

Posts #951 >> 961.....Red Ink "Twins" > HINDU and SWEET CAPORAL 350-460 Factory #42 cards

Posts #962 >> 984.....Possible sources of the T206 Wagner cards (Re-visited)

Posts #985 >> 1000....... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card

Posts #1001 >> 1002..... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card

Posts #1004 >> 1034.....Reminiscing about your 1st BB card Show where you acquired T206's

Posts #1035 >> 1050.....Show T206's with same name on top or different player's name on top

Posts #1051 >> 1066.....Show T206's with same name on top or different player's name on top

Posts #1068 >> 1070.....Imagine the T206 guys come alive, great read about the 1904 season

Posts #1071 >> 1086....."pet peeves" regarding certain T206's...and tell us of your's ?

Posts #1087 >> 1100.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s)

Posts #1101 >> 1150.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s)

Posts #1151 >> 1160.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s)

Posts #1161 >> 1193.....ATC's "signature" white-border T-card. Post your favorite Red Cobb

Posts #1194 >> 1198.....Questionable action poses on certain T206's. Show us a questionable pose

Posts #1199 >> 1200....."You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave"

Posts #1201 >> 1207....."You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave"

Posts #1208 >> 1213.....Revisiting the 150-only Series.....and, let's see your cards

Posts #1214 >> 1225.....The "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card survey (Updated)

Posts #1226 >> 1237.....The "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card and related subjects

Posts #1238 >> 1250....."fat" AMERICAN BEAUTY cards....If you have any, let's see them

Posts #1251 >> 1262....."fat" AMERICAN BEAUTY cards....If you have any, let's see them

Posts #1263 >> 1281.....T206-like T209 (CONTENTNEA) 1st series....show us your T209 cards

Posts #1283 >> 1294.....TRIVIA....Iffy call cost Team the Pennant. Who's the T206 player involved ?

Posts #1295 >> 1300.....Interesting similarities between T206 Doyle Nat'L and T207 Hoff

Posts #1301 >> 1302.....Interesting similarities between T206 Doyle Nat'L and T207 Hoff

Post #1303....................INDEX

Posts #1305 >> 1310.....Interesting similarities between T206 Doyle Nat'L and T207 Hoff

Posts #1311 >> 1314.......... THREAD HI-JACKED .....

Posts #1316 >> 1318.......... THREAD HI-JACKED .....

Posts #1328 >> 1332.......... THREAD HI-JACKED .....

Posts #1335 >> 1341.......... THREAD HI-JACKED .....

Posts #1342 >> 1350.....Can't afford the orange Wagner, then the blue Wagner will do

Posts #1351 >> 1373.....Can't afford the orange Wagner, then the blue Wagner will do

Posts #1374 >> 1376.....Interesting association of AB350 (no-frame) T206's and AB460 T206's

Posts #1377 >> 1398.....Fun run....PIEDMONT 350-460 Fact 25....Give it the old college try

Posts #1399 >> 1400.....TRIVIA....Pitcher, Reliever, Infielder & good hitter. Name this T206 guy ?

Posts #1401 >> 1402.....TRIVIA....Pitcher, Reliever, Infielder & good hitter. Name this T206 guy ?

Post #1403....................INDEX

Posts #1404 >> 1409.....TRIVIA....Pitcher, Reliever, Infielder & good hitter. Name this T206 guy ?

Posts #1412 >> 1434.....To Grade, or not to Grade....that is the Question regarding T206 set(s)

Posts #1435 >> 1450.....Anti-tobacco guys....Connie Mack and Eddie Plank

Posts #1451 >> 1459.....Anti-tobacco guys....Connie Mack and Eddie Plank

Posts #1460 >> 1472.....Stamps, BB cards, old Cars, which of them did you collect 1st ?

Posts #1476 >> 1500.....Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ?

Posts #1501 >> 1537.....Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ?

Posts #1538 >> 1550.....TRIVIA.....the NAME's the SAME..a T206 guy's name "coincides" with 1950's TOPPS guy

Posts #1551 >> 1570.....TRIVIA.....the NAME's the SAME..a T206 guy's name "coincides" with 1950's TOPPS guy

Posts #1571 >> 1578.....T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

In this thread, I've tried to present some very complex aspects of the Series structure of the T206 set in a style which is understandable to most of the T206 collectors.
However, if not clear, don't be shy about asking questions. Post your questions on this thread. Or, email me with your question.... tedzan11@comcast.net
In either event, I will gladly do my best to provide you clear and meaningful answer(s).


TED Z

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[tedzan]

Double post.

[RCMcKenzie]

Ted, looking forward to the next index topic, always a fun and informative thread.

Here're Doolan and Bender Trees. I'm finally scanning to make a flickr page.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Thanks for the mention, Ted, yes, I am still looking for a T213-1 Rhoades hands at chest. If anyone has one to trade, let me know.

I am fortunate to have these 2 T206's, though. The BL350 has been changed by an earlier collector to a "Kansas City" card.

Hi Rob

If I recall correctly, the New York Metropolitan Museum of Art has on display a complete 68-card 1910 COUPON set in their Sportscard department.
Therefore, we do know the "Dusty" Rhoades card exists with a 1910 COUPON back....despite PSA's pop report data indicating none.

You're very, very fortunate to have 67 cards in your 1910 COUPON set. It's an amazing accomplishment. Good Luck on eventually finding Rhoades.

I embarked on this adventure approx. 20 years ago. After attaining 25 % of set, I gave up on it. Shown here are some of my nicer cards in this set.


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TED Z

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[RCMcKenzie]

Nice Coupons there...On Rhoades populations, as you say the MET has one online from Burdick...

www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/417937


Also, SGC's pop report shows 2 examples of Rhoades.. an SGC 3 and 1.5.


GFG had a raw one that could be the SGC 1.5, or maybe it's still raw.

I've had a lot of help from board members to get to 67. I still have lots of other want-lists going to keep me busy.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Ted, looking forward to the next index topic, always a fun and informative thread.

Here're Doolan and Bender Trees. I'm finally scanning to make a flickr page.

Rob

Speaking about Doolan....my Doolan has evidence that it was glued to the outside of the carton which contained
approx. 200 cigarettes of this new T-brand. My contention is that 1910 COUPON cigarettes were never packaged
in the standard "10-pack" format (as most of the Tobacco products of that time). Furthermore, it's my guess that
the cards with no paper loss on their backs were simply inserted within these cartons of cigarettes.

Quite a number of my 1910 COUPON cards have this typical paper loss on their backs since I was able to acquire
them at less cost.

How many of your cards have the paper loss problem ?


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TED Z
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[RCMcKenzie]

Ted, I'm currently going through and scanning what I have for T213-1. I will get back to you on an exact count later this week. I have upgraded along the way, so most of my near set is free of back damage, but I have a lot of lower grade duplicates with all sorts of back damage. Here's a Mathewson with back damage.

I don't know very much about the origins or packing of Coupon cards, and would listen to all ideas about them.

[Pat R]

IMO the paper loss/addition and glue residue on some of the T213-1's is the same as what is seen on many of the cards from that era that were glued in scrap books.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Ted, I'm currently going through and scanning what I have for T213-1. I will get back to you on an exact count later this week. I have upgraded along the way, so most of my near set is free of back damage, but I have a lot of lower grade duplicates with all sorts of back damage. Here's a Mathewson with back damage.

I don't know very much about the origins or packing of Coupon cards, and would listen to all ideas about them.

Rob

Whenever you report back is fine with me. I never get tired of our 1910 COUPON discussions. You and I really
appreciate the complexity of this 68-card set.


Ted Breitenstein is my favorite Southern Leaguer in this set. Ted pitched a "perfect" No-Hitter in his 1st Major
League start, pitching for the St. Louis Browns (Oct. 4th, 1891).







One of my favorite Major Leaguers in this set is Miller Huggins. He was a tough card to find, that fit nicely into my Miller Huggins collection.

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TED Z

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[tedzan]

Suggested here is a lesser challenge than putting together this set. Try doing a fun-run of your favorite Major League team.
I am having fun doing this with several teams. Currently, Detroit being my best (I still need Donovan, Killian, and Schmidt).




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1910 COUPON Major League checklist for forming TEAM runs......

Becker......Boston NL
Bender (trees)......A's
Byrne......St Louis NL
Campbell......Cincinnati
Chance (portrait-yellow)......Chicago NL
Charles......St Louis NL
Chase (blue portrait)......New York AL
Chase (dark cap)......New York AL
Cobb (red portrait)......Detroit
Cree......New York AL
Donovan (throwing)......Detroit
Doolan (fielding)......Phillies
Dubuc......Cincinnati
Dunn......Brooklyn
Engle......New York AL
Evers (bat-yellow sky)......Chicago NL
Fletcher.....New York NL
Hartsel......A's
Hoffman......St Louis AL
Howell (portrait)......St Louis AL

Huggins (portrait).....Cincinnati
Huggins (hands at mouth)......Cincinnati
Hunter......Brooklyn
Killian (portrait)......Detroit
Knabe......Phillies
LaPorte......New York AL
Lennox......Brooklyn
Marquard (portrait)......New York NL
Mathewson (dark cap)......New York NL
Marshall......Brooklyn
McBride......Washington
McElveen......Brooklyn
McIntyre.......Detroit
Mitchell.......Cincinnati
Mowery......Cincinnati
Myers (bat)......New York NL
Myers (fielding)......New York NL
Paskert.......Cincinnati
Rhoades (hands at chest)......Cleveland
Rossman......Detroit

Schmidt (portrait)......Detroit
Starr......Boston NL
Street (portrait)......Washington
Summers......Detroit
Sweeney.......Boston NL
Thomas......A's
Willett......Detroit
Wilson......Pittsburg


TED Z

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[RCMcKenzie]

Ted, and any other Coupon collectors that would like to chime in, I counted 44/104 T213-1 with minor to major back damage. I have upgraded over the last 40 years, so if I have a nicer example, I don't add a new dupe with back damage. In other words, the percentage of Coupon 1's with back damage may be higher than 40%.

Here are 4 tougher cards that I do not have dupes for, and would like to upgrade, plus 4 examples of Fletcher.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Ted, and any other Coupon collectors that would like to chime in, I counted 44/104 T213-1 with minor to major back damage. I have upgraded over the last 40 years, so if I have a nicer example, I don't add a new dupe with back damage. In other words, the percentage of Coupon 1's with back damage may be higher than 40%.

Rob

Your set and inventory of 1910 COUPON cards, with respect to back damage percentage, is comparable to that I have seen searching for these cards throughout the years.

And speaking about "inventory".....would you have a duplicate Elberfeld that you would be willing to sell (or trade) me ?

I am very close to completing my Elberfeld Quintuplicate run ?



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TED Z

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[tedzan]

Hey guys,

Scratch my above request for Elberfeld.

I meant to say Engle.

I am working on the Quintuplicate run of Engle (Yankees).


TED Z

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[RCMcKenzie]

Good news, I had forgotten I upgraded Engle at Hunt 4 years ago.

In his encyclopedia, Lew Lipset said about T213-1, "It is doubtful that the set is complete at 68." It was in the 1980's and nothing new has surfaced. I'm guessing that is not still his belief.

It would be fun to find a new T213-1, like Collins, Tris Speaker, or Bresnahan bat.

[tedzan]

Thanks to Rob McKenzie....I have completed my 1910 COUPON Yankees team run.

Net54....you are the greatest !


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TED Z

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[tedzan]

Billy Campbell Quadruplicate run. I intended to make this a Quintuplicate run; however, his DRUM is not to be found.


TED Z

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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Billy Campbell Quadruplicate run. I intended to make this a Quintuplicate run; however, his DRUM is not to be found.

I will continue searching for Campbell with a DRUM back. As, I don't think he is a DRUM no-print.
Twenty-three 350-only subjects were not printed with the DRUM back. They are ......

Barger
G. Brown (Washington)
Byrne
Collins (Minneapolis)
Cross
Dahlen (portrait--Brooklyn)
Demmitt (New York)
Joe Doyle
Elberfeld (portrait--Washington)
Evans
Gray
Groom
Kleinow (catching--New York)
Lundgren (Kansas City)
Mattern
McLean
Mowery
O'Hara (New York)
Puttman
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rossman
Shannon
F. Smith (Chicago--white cap)


TED Z

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[tedzan]

Here we go again....if I could find Doolan's DRUM card, I would have his QUINTUPLICATE
run. Whatever, for the time being, I am happy to have his QUADRUPLICATE back run.
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TED Z

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[tedzan]

Well, since interest in T206 runs (complicated....complete....or unique) appears to be wanning in this thread, we'll have to move onto another T206 topic.

I'm open for any suggestions from members of this glorious forum ? ?


TED Z

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[tedzan]

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He has hit the first HR's at Major League Stadiums in 3 major instances.

Who is this famous Ballplayer ?


TED Z

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[tedzan]

TRIVIA hint......

He is a well-known Baseball figure, who has quite a significant World Series Batting Average.



TED Z

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[cgjackson222]

[QUOTE=tedzan;2383346]TRIVIA hint......

He is a well-known Baseball figure, who has quite a significant World Series Batting Average.

TED Z

Max Carey?

[king11]

Hugh Duffy?

[tedzan]

Charles and Bill

Good guesses, but not the ballplayer I am looking for.

Keep trying, you are on getting warm.


TED Z

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[BobbyStrawberry]

Frank "HR" Baker?

[tedzan]

Hi Matthew

Good guess, but Baker is not the guy.


TED Z

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[tedzan]

I did not think this quiz would be this tough. Here is one more hint.....

He played BB for 14 years, on five different East Coast teams


TED Z

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[king11]

Hmmm....this one's a tough one! As another guess, he's not a t206 player, but could it be Casey Stengel?

[molenick]

I was thinking that as well...but I thought it had to be a T206 player. Casey meets the other clues (14 years, five teams, high World Series batting average) and I know he hit the first home run in Ebbets Field (not sure what the other two stadiums are).

I see now that Ted never said it was a T206 player...but I guess since it was in the T206 thread I was not clear.

[parkerj33]

I never noticed this before but the fact that there are several southern leaguers in the 213-1 (aka 1910) coupon set, really complicates the concept (now taboo?) of coupons being considered t206 cards and just a burdick classification mistake. It really seems to point to a completely unique way the creators conceived and built the coupon offering.

[tedzan]

Hey guys,

You guessed the right guy.... CASEY STENGEL ....I knew you would.

Casey hit the first home run in Ebbets Field (April 5, 1913).

In the 1923 World Series vs the Yankees, Stengel’s inside-the-park HR in the ninth inning won Game One for McGraw’s Giants.
This moment was immortalized, as it was the first HR in Yankee Stadium.

WORLD SERIES BA
1916.... .364
1922.... .400
1923.... .417
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TED Z

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[molenick]

Originally Posted by tedzan

In the 1923 World Series vs the Yankees, Stengel’s inside-the-park HR in the ninth inning won Game One for McGraw’s Giants.
This moment was immortalized, as it was the first HR in Yankee Stadium.

I thought Ruth hit the first home run in Yankee Stadium (4/18/1923). I think Stengel's was the first World Series home run in Yankee Stadium.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by molenick

I thought Ruth hit the first home run in Yankee Stadium (4/18/1923). I think Stengel's was the first World Series home run in Yankee Stadium.

Yes, the first Home Run at Yankee Stadium was hit by none other than Babe Ruth on opening day of the stadium (4/18/1923).

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smith...ilt-180981888/

[king11]

Thanks, as always, for the fun trivia challenge, Ted. Love the T210 Stengel too!

[Kidnapped18]

T206 Breakdown:
Southern Leaguers - 48
Hall of Famers - 76 (36 AL HOFers, 36 NL HOFers, 4 ML HOFers)
Minor Leagues - 82 (minus the 4 HOFers)
American League - 150 (minus the 36 HOFers)
National League - 168 (minus the 36 HOFers)

[FrankWakefield]

A good, and puzzling trivia challenge, Ted. Thank you.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

A good, and puzzling trivia challenge, Ted. Thank you.

Frank....ole buddy,

You are very welcome.

Casey Stengel fascinated me, when he became NY Yankees Manager in 1949. I was only 10 years old then.
I could tell you many stories of how he led the Yankees to the five consecutive World Championships (1949
to 1953).

Especially, when Johnny Mize single-handedly beat the Dodgers in the 1952 W.S.

Furthermore, Don Larsen's PERFECT W.S. game in 1956.


TED Z

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[tedzan]

Incidentally Frank,

Charlotte got her wish.....we have moved from the Farmhouse property in Pennsylvania to a 55+ Elderly community, nearby.

And the Orchid flower plant you gave us, when you visited us, still blooms beautifully.

Take care my good friend,





TED Z

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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Yes, the first Home Run at Yankee Stadium was hit by none other than Babe Ruth on opening day of the stadium (4/18/1923).

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smith...ilt-180981888/

I should have qualified it....Stengel hit the 1st HR in the World Series at Yankee Stadium batting for the Giants.

SABR quote......
"Stengel’s inside-the-park home run in the ninth inning won Game One for McGraw’s Giants. The moment was
immortalized by a Damon Runyon column which began “This is the way old Casey Stengel ran yesterday.” Two
days later, Casey hit another home run in Game Three, giving the Giants a 1-0 victory."


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[T206Collector]

Bump - a vivid reminder of the knowledge lost today.

[Bpm0014]

^^^^ thank you

[Seven]

I think we can all collectively agree that we need to preserve and carry on the grand legacy that Ted has left for us. The world has lost a heck of an individual.

[FrankWakefield]

I wish I had visited with Ted and Charlotte one more time... He and I had multiple common interests beyond ball cards. Ted was an intelligent, soft spoken gentleman.