Nightmare on YooHoo Road.....Mantle and Berra autographs

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

A lot of silly reprints being offered by retro_girl82 on eBay. Whoever you want, they have. Note the same postmark with year removed has been used in all these images, and we also have another previously canceled stamp! They're too cheap to spend literal pennies on mint versions!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/305161048016

Some of us like silly cheap reprints. I applaud retro_girl82 for selling/listing them for exactly what they are. For me the bad part is people that sell them as authentic.

If I was the OP I would want my cash back not some silly coupon.

[perezfan]

Agree. Just get your cash back in full (for item + BP + Shipping + PSA fees). Then be done with it... no coupons.

Awesome research by Jodi.

[russkcpa]

Thanks for all the good advice. I am going to contact REA again. I had previously called customer service a few weeks ago to give them a heads up about this item. Now I think I need to discuss with someone of higher authority.
Russ

[gonefishin]

That's crazy! Let me understand this, as I find this situation a total comedy of errors.

- You won this at auction from a reputable auction house.
- You were comfortable in believing it was authentic (as anyone would) because it was certified by PSA.
- The selling price was dramatically increased because it had been certified by PSA.
- Come to find out, it is fake, from the same authenticator that certified it for the auction.
- PSA wants to retain it, and simply give you redress by simply issuing you credit for the monies you spent!

Burn me once, shame on you! Burn me twice/three times/four times - shame on me!

After all this BS that includes your time, money, loss of the item, etc., STORE CREDIT! This is so bad and unprofessional it upsets me and I'm not the one that was taken advantage of. Hell, this is not much different than the asshole that created the counterfeit piece to begin with! Nowhere is it mentioned that in addition to making it right with you, not just store credit, that either party will go after the thief's that perpetrated the rip off. Instead, we will just keep the item, take it off the market, and let this kind of bullshit continue.

There isn't a whole of difference between what happened to you with them and meeting with an individual that sells this crap direct to an unsuspecting buyer. I don't know what the purchase price was, nor where all parties are located. However, it appears that somewhere down the line a felony has been committed - not just "Here's your store credit - I'll keep the evidence and you just please go away." I'm not saying it's PSA or REA, but someone, and they need to be held accountable.

Both PSA and REA are financially sound enough to create change by attacking the problem at it's source. At least a lot more capable than one individual.

I feel for you, good luck with whatever route you take and keep everyone posted on the outcome.

[rand1com]

I would get a full refund from REA.

They have been held up as the gold standard on this board as recently as a week or so ago when Heritage had the fiasco with the Boston Garter set. It was stated that REA would handle a situation like this professionally.

I certainly would not take a $420 PSA/DNA credit voucher in place of a full refund including the authentication cost.

[Southpaw85]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Some of us like silly cheap reprints. I applaud retro_girl82 for selling/listing them for exactly what they are. For me the bad part is people that sell them as authentic.

If I was the OP I would want my cash back not some silly coupon.

This seller (retro_girl82) is listing things accurately... that said, that Jerry Garcia 'signed' envelope has circulated through the hands of several eBay sellers going back several years, several of whom listed it as authentic (but way cheaper than a Jerry signature ought to run...). In person, it is clearly a modern inkjet copy. Furthermore, for the Jerry signature, I was able to ID the original signature; nothing more than some fancy photoshop skills.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Some of us like silly cheap reprints. I applaud retro_girl82 for selling/listing them for exactly what they are. For me the bad part is people that sell them as authentic.

That's a grey area to me. Sure, this seller is being transparent, but that doesn't keep her from being a part of the problem. She's just the first rung in the ladder. "It's not up to me what other people do with these items!" never played well with me.

I'm sure someone's follow-up will be, "How do you feel about reprint cards if that's the case?", and you'd have me painted into a corner because at their most innocent points as pure, properly marked reprints, I think they're great for anyone to be able to afford a set of cards which may otherwise be unattainable. The obvious response would be that it's the exact same situation with reprint autographs. While that can't be denied, it doesn't mean I have to feel the same way about it as I do reprint cards. As someone who has long been primarily involved with autographs, reprint autographs naturally bother me more than cards. It doesn't make my feelings right or wrong; that's just how they are. Furthermore, how often does anyone see a properly labeled reprint autograph? Practically never. And this very case at hand proves that anybody at any level just may be fooled, even by something as comedic and contrived as these particular envelopes.

I suppose my absolute bottom line is that all reproductions should be properly and rather boldly marked in multiple areas that may not be the most aesthetically pleasing, but geared toward the best effort for deterring removal. While that will never stop, at least make it more difficult for the criminals. In the case of these envelopes, have a few small "REPRINT" marks printed diagonally across the signatures and in a few places on the envelope. It might not look pretty, but I'd rest easier.

[Steve D]

One other note that I don't see mentioned yet.....

The postage rate, as shown in the subsequent posts, was four cents in 1962; so the stamp on the cover in the OP doesn't meet the required postage rate in effect at the time.

The cover is clearly a fake.


Steve

[mcgwirecom]

The 3 cent stamps was already cancelled before it was put on the postcard take a look.

[bammerbb]

I read this whole post and I'm confused and here's why.

1, Why is REA first referred to and why are there 2 different ebay pages about 2 different ads.

2. Who is the correct buyer.

3. If REA is the correct seller, why not just get a total refund from them?

Brian